修訂版規 - 閒聊
By Selena
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※ 引述《sunone (象腿女孩西瓜)》之銘言:
先推您對版的用心
: 最近亂成一團
: 聊天被亂入這些事大家都心有戚戚焉
: 也凸顯出版主的重要性
: 還有版規的漏洞
: 不論是先前鬧的沸沸湯湯的3.C
: 還是最近的15
: 還是常常被引用的2
: (話說18根本應該要有罰則啊!)
看看18寫什麼。
18.男性板友發言時用字遣詞請顧及女性板友感受,避免不雅或鄙俗詞彙。
不雅、鄙俗該如何判定?
寫得模糊,判定起來沒有一定標準。
這該如何罰?看心情?還是投票?
: 所以以下有幾點想建議即將上任的版主可以好好考慮>_<
: 1.不得無故刪除版友推文
: 若推文造成不舒服請去信告知版主,不得先斬後奏
: 但如有原推噓文版友請原PO刪除則不在此限
這我支持,尊重他人的發言,切勿隨意修改。
: 2.使用[女孩]分類的文章
: 男性版友若是回文造成困擾,原PO檢舉後經版主驗證將永久水桶
這我不支持,因為有漏洞。
1.違反兩性平等的原則
2.倘若比照辦理,男孩分類的文章女性版友回文一樣水桶。
那有心人士直接發男孩文洗滿整個版面女孩還要不要討論啊?
反之亦然啊!
那不如乾脆女版發回推條件限定性別好了?
男性都不要進來這樣不是很乾脆?
要討論男性話題移駕隔壁,那兩性話題去BG,這樣好不好?
即便是專門討論性別取向的板都不會限定身分或性取向當討論條件了
這限制是把討論版上的文隔間當男女廁分開嗎?
: 3.短時間內累積噓文達到X2以上的文章應劣退
: 劣文數達3篇將在本版永久水桶
參考一下隔壁的類似版規
8.3.快速引起眾怒連噓之文章
眾怒連噓定義為5小時內可辨識不同人噓成X2,或48小時內可辨識不同人噓到XX
這是有配套措施的
3.3.無意義連噓(空白噓、只有符號噓、語助詞噓等沒有說明)
連噓定義為同篇文章兩次以上,或同作者不同文章在一週內三次以上
說真的我覺得這樣設計滿不錯的,禁止了惡意噓,又透過討噓來水桶。
但我拿我自己舉例好了,如果今天我發篇文,可能有人噓下去
馬上就違反3.3掰掰了(一周內早超過三次)。
噓到我進桶要先桶多少人?
: 4.版規3的修正...及名確的定義和罰則
: 以上只是一點點想法...
: 還請各位版友來集思廣益:)
我大膽假設當初版規3為什麼沒有罰則
因為這樣一定會被詬病不公平
只提女性的權利,並不代表否認男性具有相同的權利。
所以版規3只純為描述權利放在那沒啥問題
但是如果變成有罰則了,就瞬間變成不公平。
違反女性的權力受罰,那男性沒有明訂出這項權利以及罰則不就超不公平嗎?
那來女版討論要不要乾脆從頭到尾堅稱自己是女的?
既然這樣乾脆就像前面說的,發文限制直接把男性剃除光
不是實在多了?
擺明要不公平就不公平個徹底,不用半吊子對吧?
===
我另外建議的
是板規2的延伸,更詳細的訂定版規2
2."無故"人身攻擊他人者,水桶一個月;情節嚴重者,處一月以上三年以下水桶。
蓄意引亂,或口不帶髒字卻蓄意挑弄板友,(如消遣他人或討噓在先)
再以其為受害者應免責,並以公平之名意圖拖人下水之惡意者,直接永久水桶。
對其免責抗辯及惡意檢舉,板方不予受理。
攻擊造成怨懟,攻擊只會讓情況惡化,除非一方被消滅。
參考一下隔壁類似的
3.禁止對板友做出人身攻擊或辱罵貶抑等情事,含推文
3.1.指稱某人並且辱罵髒話
3.2.指稱某人或其文章且做不實指控,包含指稱未違反板規文為廢文
3.3.無意義連噓(空白噓、只有符號噓、語助詞噓等沒有說明)
連噓定義為同篇文章兩次以上,或同作者不同文章在一週內三次以上
有沒有發現其實正因女版現在的板規很模糊,版主自由心證範圍很大。
才讓一些在他版禁止的行為合理化?
沒違反版規就指稱他人文章為廢文,算不算一種攻擊行為?
那發文者會舒服嗎?說人發的文章是廢文,跟引戰有何不同?
我認為對人攻擊行為,才是造成版上火藥味濃重的主因。
--
1.反駁對方的重點:確實指出對方論點的錯誤性。 (優質論文)該
2.駁 斥:引述權威的說法指出對方錯誤或矛盾的地方。 (辯論社、優質論文)如
3.相 反 的 論 點:列出相反的論點,並以錯誤或事實當作證據。 (辯論社)何
4.矛 盾:列出相反的論點但不加以證實。 (匿名版、論壇)筆
5.攻擊態度、胡扯:質疑對方的態度口氣、不合邏輯的回應。 (小朋友、匿名版、論壇)戰
6.人 身 攻 擊:攻擊、批評對方人格、動機、態度、地位、階級或處境。 (小朋友)?
--
先推您對版的用心
: 最近亂成一團
: 聊天被亂入這些事大家都心有戚戚焉
: 也凸顯出版主的重要性
: 還有版規的漏洞
: 不論是先前鬧的沸沸湯湯的3.C
: 還是最近的15
: 還是常常被引用的2
: (話說18根本應該要有罰則啊!)
看看18寫什麼。
18.男性板友發言時用字遣詞請顧及女性板友感受,避免不雅或鄙俗詞彙。
不雅、鄙俗該如何判定?
寫得模糊,判定起來沒有一定標準。
這該如何罰?看心情?還是投票?
: 所以以下有幾點想建議即將上任的版主可以好好考慮>_<
: 1.不得無故刪除版友推文
: 若推文造成不舒服請去信告知版主,不得先斬後奏
: 但如有原推噓文版友請原PO刪除則不在此限
這我支持,尊重他人的發言,切勿隨意修改。
: 2.使用[女孩]分類的文章
: 男性版友若是回文造成困擾,原PO檢舉後經版主驗證將永久水桶
這我不支持,因為有漏洞。
1.違反兩性平等的原則
2.倘若比照辦理,男孩分類的文章女性版友回文一樣水桶。
那有心人士直接發男孩文洗滿整個版面女孩還要不要討論啊?
反之亦然啊!
那不如乾脆女版發回推條件限定性別好了?
男性都不要進來這樣不是很乾脆?
要討論男性話題移駕隔壁,那兩性話題去BG,這樣好不好?
即便是專門討論性別取向的板都不會限定身分或性取向當討論條件了
這限制是把討論版上的文隔間當男女廁分開嗎?
: 3.短時間內累積噓文達到X2以上的文章應劣退
: 劣文數達3篇將在本版永久水桶
參考一下隔壁的類似版規
8.3.快速引起眾怒連噓之文章
眾怒連噓定義為5小時內可辨識不同人噓成X2,或48小時內可辨識不同人噓到XX
這是有配套措施的
3.3.無意義連噓(空白噓、只有符號噓、語助詞噓等沒有說明)
連噓定義為同篇文章兩次以上,或同作者不同文章在一週內三次以上
說真的我覺得這樣設計滿不錯的,禁止了惡意噓,又透過討噓來水桶。
但我拿我自己舉例好了,如果今天我發篇文,可能有人噓下去
馬上就違反3.3掰掰了(一周內早超過三次)。
噓到我進桶要先桶多少人?
: 4.版規3的修正...及名確的定義和罰則
: 以上只是一點點想法...
: 還請各位版友來集思廣益:)
我大膽假設當初版規3為什麼沒有罰則
因為這樣一定會被詬病不公平
只提女性的權利,並不代表否認男性具有相同的權利。
所以版規3只純為描述權利放在那沒啥問題
但是如果變成有罰則了,就瞬間變成不公平。
違反女性的權力受罰,那男性沒有明訂出這項權利以及罰則不就超不公平嗎?
那來女版討論要不要乾脆從頭到尾堅稱自己是女的?
既然這樣乾脆就像前面說的,發文限制直接把男性剃除光
不是實在多了?
擺明要不公平就不公平個徹底,不用半吊子對吧?
===
我另外建議的
是板規2的延伸,更詳細的訂定版規2
2."無故"人身攻擊他人者,水桶一個月;情節嚴重者,處一月以上三年以下水桶。
蓄意引亂,或口不帶髒字卻蓄意挑弄板友,(如消遣他人或討噓在先)
再以其為受害者應免責,並以公平之名意圖拖人下水之惡意者,直接永久水桶。
對其免責抗辯及惡意檢舉,板方不予受理。
攻擊造成怨懟,攻擊只會讓情況惡化,除非一方被消滅。
參考一下隔壁類似的
3.禁止對板友做出人身攻擊或辱罵貶抑等情事,含推文
3.1.指稱某人並且辱罵髒話
3.2.指稱某人或其文章且做不實指控,包含指稱未違反板規文為廢文
3.3.無意義連噓(空白噓、只有符號噓、語助詞噓等沒有說明)
連噓定義為同篇文章兩次以上,或同作者不同文章在一週內三次以上
有沒有發現其實正因女版現在的板規很模糊,版主自由心證範圍很大。
才讓一些在他版禁止的行為合理化?
沒違反版規就指稱他人文章為廢文,算不算一種攻擊行為?
那發文者會舒服嗎?說人發的文章是廢文,跟引戰有何不同?
我認為對人攻擊行為,才是造成版上火藥味濃重的主因。
--
1.反駁對方的重點:確實指出對方論點的錯誤性。 (優質論文)該
2.駁 斥:引述權威的說法指出對方錯誤或矛盾的地方。 (辯論社、優質論文)如
3.相 反 的 論 點:列出相反的論點,並以錯誤或事實當作證據。 (辯論社)何
4.矛 盾:列出相反的論點但不加以證實。 (匿名版、論壇)筆
5.攻擊態度、胡扯:質疑對方的態度口氣、不合邏輯的回應。 (小朋友、匿名版、論壇)戰
6.人 身 攻 擊:攻擊、批評對方人格、動機、態度、地位、階級或處境。 (小朋友)?
--
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