請不要用假裝討論來包裝你的歧視 - 閒聊
By Charlotte
at 2013-07-18T11:08
at 2013-07-18T11:08
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為免又發展成先前洪下士事件討論串的亂象,
先在這裡幫FinalAce做個釐清好了:
在F板友的文中,所有的「正常」「不正常」
皆為由教育部辭典之解釋引申,類似統計上常態/非常態之意涵,例:
推 FinalAce:如果採用統計常態分配的概念,只要是平均數兩端一~三倍07/18 10:03
→ FinalAce:標準差都可以稱為不正常無誤。07/18 10:03
不帶任何貶抑性評價,閱讀他的文章時請用他的定義去理解。
並且依其推論,「缺陷的、非自然的、病態的」等用語用以指稱特定族群,也不涉及
歧視,這部分敝人才疏學淺難以理解,若有疑問請向F板友求教。
原主題要討論的是一般使用的「不正常」是否
在公開以言論指涉特定族群時形成歧視
F要討論的是說同性戀「不正常」不算歧視。因此大家不應該誤會A板友
補充:F先生抗議我曲解了他的意思,主張他是以教育部辭典為準:
http://ppt.cc/ubtN 附上連結大家自行評斷。
居然搞錯了F板友的意思,本人在此致上十二萬分歉意。
此外附上原原PO現身說法:
推 shounyuh:在他原本長到快蓋過我本文的推文裡,這位A版友已經說明了07/18 15:22
→ shounyuh:他並不是因為認為同性戀非常態所以稱為不正常,他認為同07/18 15:22
→ shounyuh:性戀是有缺陷的、是非自然的、是病態的.....謝謝
以上,僅供各位參考。
※ 引述《FinalAce (王牌)》之銘言:
: 我認同這篇的說法,我使用的是教育部國語辭典。
: 歧視:輕視,以不公平的態度相待。
: 關鍵部分已經上色了,A版友有對同性戀不公平的態度嗎?
: 首先,輕視的「輕」,帶有價值判斷。
: 可知歧視須待有價值判斷的,並且是負面的價值判斷。
: 依然教育部國語辭典
: 公平:不偏私
: 不公平的態度應該是在態度上偏向某一方,在同性戀議題上,
: 想必偏向的是異性戀(A版友的說法就是異性戀正常)。
: 但是正常、不正常。
: 這兩個詞彙是中立的!
: 不像輕視一樣,具有價值判斷。
: 並沒有一定的褒貶,所以何來「偏向某方(偏私)」之有?
: 套用統計的常態分配來看,平均數兩端一~三倍標準差皆可稱作不正常。
: 端看要取多少信賴水準而定。
: 一個成績PR99,一個PR50。
: PR50的絕對堪稱正常,剛好在常態分配中間。
: PR99的堪稱不正常,在常態分配的極右端。
: 但是此時我們若加入含有比較、評價、的判定,分出所謂的「方向」的話...
: PR99的不正常,成績較好(褒)
: PR50的正常,成績較差(貶)
: 成績較好、較差,才是價值判斷。
: 由此可知,正常與不正常本身中性,只有再加入區分優劣的判定的時候。
: 才會有褒貶的涵義出現。
: 拉回歧視的定義:輕視,以不公平的態度相待。
: 最後要看相待,對待指的就是具體行為。
: 如果A大並沒有對同性戀者,因為他們的性向而有負面的行為出現。
: 那當然就不符合相待,自然也就不是歧視了。
: 綜合以上幾點,針對歧視的定義:輕視、以不公平的態度相待。
: 同性戀不正常,這句話,根本沒有符合歧視的定義。
: 怎麼能說這樣就是歧視呢?
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