蔡依林受傷 - 閒聊
By Dora
at 2009-05-16T13:14
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※ 引述《VJ2004 (8HR還是睡不飽)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《tuyrr (最好的時光)》之銘言:
: : 先說我本身沒有很喜歡蔡依林
: : 主要是沒有很喜歡她的歌和舞
: : 不過我承認她是一個非常認真努力的藝人(兩個月練出鞭轉!!)
: 芭蕾不是特技
: 是一種需要長時間磨練的一項藝術
: 而這個不是"努力"兩個字就可以達到的境界
: 他的鞭轉我也曾經在某版狂罵
: 但是我還是那句話
: 我從來沒說她不能練
: 但是 拜託
: 我只希望至少他可以把基本功給學好
: 否則這種半調子的鞭轉
: 只會讓對芭蕾鑑賞能力還在初心段的我狠狠的吐槽
: 硬鞋不穿 小旋轉不會
硬鞋沒有從小學芭蕾是不能穿著跳舞的,因為腳骨沒鍛鍊過,撐不住.
所以蔡依林這輩子不可能穿硬鞋轉圈--除非她以後想坐輪椅度過餘生....
: 還想完美的轉出三十二圈大旋轉?!
: 這跟小孩不學站不學走 就想開始學跑步跳舞有什麼兩樣??
我現在在美國某職業芭蕾舞團以及其附屬舞蹈學院當伴奏,
所以我看過專業舞者的鞭轉,也看過不同程度的學生練鞭轉的經過,
從小學二三年級生練習怎樣轉圈頭才不會暈,
看到國高中生練習怎樣轉圈才能維持在定點而且全身既放鬆又優雅,
再看到專業舞者即使已經轉得很順還是要每天練習不停修正,
說真的,把蔡依林的轉圈圈稱為鞭轉,講偏激一點都快要是對芭蕾舞者的侮辱了......
那是要從小日積月累精益求精的技巧,
不是沒有基礎的人幾個月就能學起來的.
其實蔡依林的舞蹈一直讓我有不忍卒睹的感覺:
因為她真的沒有基礎也沒有天分,完全靠蠻幹硬練,
我相信她花了很多很多的苦心,就是因為這樣我才"不忍",
可是她的成果真的很慘--這是必然的,理由就跟V大講的一樣,
不會走就要跑,當然跑得歪歪斜斜,
而她這種自討苦吃,甚至有點是自取其辱的行為,竟然是她走紅的原因,
這點也讓我覺得很納悶,
難到台灣觀眾真的就是這麼吃"苦命阿信"那一套,
即使成果很差也沒關係?
讓蔡依林不自量力去學芭蕾舞的動力又是什麼?
真的純粹是她自己想要學嗎?
雖說蔡依林要怎樣是她的事,跟我們一點關係都沒有,
她再紅也不過是娛樂界的事情,又不是什麼會動搖國本的大事,
但是從蔡依林走紅的現象來觀察台灣觀眾的口味以及業者行銷的策略,
真的會讓我覺得我們深度不夠......
既然有版友推文說不知道真正芭蕾鞭轉是怎樣,
那我就來分享正宗黑天鵝32鞭轉的連結:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOdE0P7K0HM&feature=related
影片中的舞者Gillian Murphy,
是美國最頂尖的古典芭蕾舞團American Ballet Theatre(ABT)現任首席之一.
再來一個沒那麼傳統的:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPj5sm0KVRE
從2:08的地方開始是鞭轉,
這是電影center stage的片段,
裡面穿灰背心的男舞者Ethan Stiefel也是ABT現任首席之一去友情演出的.
而裡面的紅衣女舞者Amanda Schull轉成那樣很厲害了吧,
但在現實世界中也只能進舊金山芭蕾舞團當舞群而已,
所以芭蕾世界沒有這麼簡單的.
: : 最近這兩天看到他受傷的新聞
: : 說她要封舞一陣子
: : 我多少祝福她盡快好起來
: : 然後今天忽然想到
: : 不知道平常最愛譙她的吐槽板
: : 會不會比較收斂一點
: : 沒想到...
: : 還是一堆人在譏諷她要去回廠維修
: : 或是酸她在炒新聞
: : ......
: : 我只是覺得
: : 不喜歡她、討厭她也沒關係
: : 有必要連人家受傷都這樣嗎
: : 感覺還蠻差的
: : 平常人家好好的你愛罵沒關係
: : 受傷還要被說是炒新聞
: : 說真的我覺得以蔡依林的知名度
: : 新聞報成這樣已經算低調了吧
: : 再說一次我不是她的fan
: 我也不是他的fan 但我不否認在這張專輯之前我對他有著一定程度的欣賞
: 但是我講一句很實在的話
: 今天不管學習什麼舞蹈 第一個就是要把自己的身體保護好
: 就如同一個歌手要把自己的嗓子保護好一樣
: 只是這個藝人只顧著挑戰自己的極限 只顧著博取很努力的美名
: 以及挑戰不可能的讚譽 而不顧自己的身體狀況及事先做好安全保護
: 那對不起 我只能說 他受傷我完全無法同情他
: : 只是我覺得如果是我自己喜歡的藝人受傷了(更何況是因為過度工作而受傷)
: : 還被其他人說成是炒新聞
: : 我會非常生氣與難過
: : 只能說很多人都不懂得將心比心啊 唉
--
: ※ 引述《tuyrr (最好的時光)》之銘言:
: : 先說我本身沒有很喜歡蔡依林
: : 主要是沒有很喜歡她的歌和舞
: : 不過我承認她是一個非常認真努力的藝人(兩個月練出鞭轉!!)
: 芭蕾不是特技
: 是一種需要長時間磨練的一項藝術
: 而這個不是"努力"兩個字就可以達到的境界
: 他的鞭轉我也曾經在某版狂罵
: 但是我還是那句話
: 我從來沒說她不能練
: 但是 拜託
: 我只希望至少他可以把基本功給學好
: 否則這種半調子的鞭轉
: 只會讓對芭蕾鑑賞能力還在初心段的我狠狠的吐槽
: 硬鞋不穿 小旋轉不會
硬鞋沒有從小學芭蕾是不能穿著跳舞的,因為腳骨沒鍛鍊過,撐不住.
所以蔡依林這輩子不可能穿硬鞋轉圈--除非她以後想坐輪椅度過餘生....
: 還想完美的轉出三十二圈大旋轉?!
: 這跟小孩不學站不學走 就想開始學跑步跳舞有什麼兩樣??
我現在在美國某職業芭蕾舞團以及其附屬舞蹈學院當伴奏,
所以我看過專業舞者的鞭轉,也看過不同程度的學生練鞭轉的經過,
從小學二三年級生練習怎樣轉圈頭才不會暈,
看到國高中生練習怎樣轉圈才能維持在定點而且全身既放鬆又優雅,
再看到專業舞者即使已經轉得很順還是要每天練習不停修正,
說真的,把蔡依林的轉圈圈稱為鞭轉,講偏激一點都快要是對芭蕾舞者的侮辱了......
那是要從小日積月累精益求精的技巧,
不是沒有基礎的人幾個月就能學起來的.
其實蔡依林的舞蹈一直讓我有不忍卒睹的感覺:
因為她真的沒有基礎也沒有天分,完全靠蠻幹硬練,
我相信她花了很多很多的苦心,就是因為這樣我才"不忍",
可是她的成果真的很慘--這是必然的,理由就跟V大講的一樣,
不會走就要跑,當然跑得歪歪斜斜,
而她這種自討苦吃,甚至有點是自取其辱的行為,竟然是她走紅的原因,
這點也讓我覺得很納悶,
難到台灣觀眾真的就是這麼吃"苦命阿信"那一套,
即使成果很差也沒關係?
讓蔡依林不自量力去學芭蕾舞的動力又是什麼?
真的純粹是她自己想要學嗎?
雖說蔡依林要怎樣是她的事,跟我們一點關係都沒有,
她再紅也不過是娛樂界的事情,又不是什麼會動搖國本的大事,
但是從蔡依林走紅的現象來觀察台灣觀眾的口味以及業者行銷的策略,
真的會讓我覺得我們深度不夠......
既然有版友推文說不知道真正芭蕾鞭轉是怎樣,
那我就來分享正宗黑天鵝32鞭轉的連結:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOdE0P7K0HM&feature=related
影片中的舞者Gillian Murphy,
是美國最頂尖的古典芭蕾舞團American Ballet Theatre(ABT)現任首席之一.
再來一個沒那麼傳統的:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPj5sm0KVRE
從2:08的地方開始是鞭轉,
這是電影center stage的片段,
裡面穿灰背心的男舞者Ethan Stiefel也是ABT現任首席之一去友情演出的.
而裡面的紅衣女舞者Amanda Schull轉成那樣很厲害了吧,
但在現實世界中也只能進舊金山芭蕾舞團當舞群而已,
所以芭蕾世界沒有這麼簡單的.
: : 最近這兩天看到他受傷的新聞
: : 說她要封舞一陣子
: : 我多少祝福她盡快好起來
: : 然後今天忽然想到
: : 不知道平常最愛譙她的吐槽板
: : 會不會比較收斂一點
: : 沒想到...
: : 還是一堆人在譏諷她要去回廠維修
: : 或是酸她在炒新聞
: : ......
: : 我只是覺得
: : 不喜歡她、討厭她也沒關係
: : 有必要連人家受傷都這樣嗎
: : 感覺還蠻差的
: : 平常人家好好的你愛罵沒關係
: : 受傷還要被說是炒新聞
: : 說真的我覺得以蔡依林的知名度
: : 新聞報成這樣已經算低調了吧
: : 再說一次我不是她的fan
: 我也不是他的fan 但我不否認在這張專輯之前我對他有著一定程度的欣賞
: 但是我講一句很實在的話
: 今天不管學習什麼舞蹈 第一個就是要把自己的身體保護好
: 就如同一個歌手要把自己的嗓子保護好一樣
: 只是這個藝人只顧著挑戰自己的極限 只顧著博取很努力的美名
: 以及挑戰不可能的讚譽 而不顧自己的身體狀況及事先做好安全保護
: 那對不起 我只能說 他受傷我完全無法同情他
: : 只是我覺得如果是我自己喜歡的藝人受傷了(更何況是因為過度工作而受傷)
: : 還被其他人說成是炒新聞
: : 我會非常生氣與難過
: : 只能說很多人都不懂得將心比心啊 唉
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