林義守批輕軌佔市區車道 應高架或地下化 - 高雄
By Isla
at 2017-06-28T22:35
at 2017-06-28T22:35
Table of Contents
※ 引述《ohlong (強森)》之銘言:
: 我們先把義大的商利、政治傾向
: 或跟對岸的關係擺ㄧ邊
: 大順路你們可以在上下班時間實際通勤看看
: 從中正路的起點基本上就一路塞到底
: 然後高捷規劃的方式讓我想到鬍子強
: 先是把中港路改成台灣大道惡搞還不夠
: 再花大把錢把公車串燒在一起設專用道
: 從那時起根本就是台中交通最黑暗的時期
: 開過騎過的人就知道我在說什麼
: 那是真的會讓人崩潰砸車的交通狀態
: 雖然我不贊成為了義大利 益改輕軌路線
: 但在只有兩線道 還一堆公車來往的大順路
: 設條輕軌專用道
: 根本他媽中邪
: 靠大順通勤的人最好想好備案
換個角度想,到時候塞到不要不要的,
大家其實搞不好也會換條路行駛,或者被逼得使用大眾運輸工具,
人的適應力是很強的.
就你的思維大概就是比較落後國家的思維代表,
交通就是以"車"為本體,凡事以不塞車為首要目標,
但已開發國家交通的思維是以"人"為本體, 車只是所謂代步的工具.
以和高雄市區人口相近,捷運也只有兩條的京都市為例好了
相信很多人都去過四条河原町, 那附近算是京都最熱鬧的區域了,
其中四条通是車流量非常大的道路,
2014年四条通的街景長這樣,當時每到上下班時間就塞的亂七八糟的
http://i.imgur.com/hFJAayd.jpg
但是在2015年京都市政府對四条通進行改造計畫,
改造的內容是什麼? 拓寬嗎?
並不是,反而是縮減車道空間,大幅拓寬行人空間,
現在變這樣
http://i.imgur.com/qKsVmAv.jpg
你能想像在高雄市中心最熱鬧的地方道路只剩單向一線道嗎?
結果並沒有像大家一般預期會塞得更嚴重,
車流會轉移,人也會轉換交通工具方式,
這就是先進國家政府和人民的思維.
所以輕軌在大順路平面的概念應該是沒有問題的,
問題從來都是在市民的素質和其他幹線公車配套才是關鍵....
越落後地方的人民通常會越把"方便就好"掛嘴邊,
然後進而合理化自己的行為,
輕軌一階目前發生的那些車禍,每件都是因為車輛自己貪圖方便而肇事,
好像連最基本的遵守燈號行駛也會要他命一樣.
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: 我們先把義大的商利、政治傾向
: 或跟對岸的關係擺ㄧ邊
: 大順路你們可以在上下班時間實際通勤看看
: 從中正路的起點基本上就一路塞到底
: 然後高捷規劃的方式讓我想到鬍子強
: 先是把中港路改成台灣大道惡搞還不夠
: 再花大把錢把公車串燒在一起設專用道
: 從那時起根本就是台中交通最黑暗的時期
: 開過騎過的人就知道我在說什麼
: 那是真的會讓人崩潰砸車的交通狀態
: 雖然我不贊成為了義大利 益改輕軌路線
: 但在只有兩線道 還一堆公車來往的大順路
: 設條輕軌專用道
: 根本他媽中邪
: 靠大順通勤的人最好想好備案
換個角度想,到時候塞到不要不要的,
大家其實搞不好也會換條路行駛,或者被逼得使用大眾運輸工具,
人的適應力是很強的.
就你的思維大概就是比較落後國家的思維代表,
交通就是以"車"為本體,凡事以不塞車為首要目標,
但已開發國家交通的思維是以"人"為本體, 車只是所謂代步的工具.
以和高雄市區人口相近,捷運也只有兩條的京都市為例好了
相信很多人都去過四条河原町, 那附近算是京都最熱鬧的區域了,
其中四条通是車流量非常大的道路,
2014年四条通的街景長這樣,當時每到上下班時間就塞的亂七八糟的
http://i.imgur.com/hFJAayd.jpg
但是在2015年京都市政府對四条通進行改造計畫,
改造的內容是什麼? 拓寬嗎?
並不是,反而是縮減車道空間,大幅拓寬行人空間,
現在變這樣
http://i.imgur.com/qKsVmAv.jpg
你能想像在高雄市中心最熱鬧的地方道路只剩單向一線道嗎?
結果並沒有像大家一般預期會塞得更嚴重,
車流會轉移,人也會轉換交通工具方式,
這就是先進國家政府和人民的思維.
所以輕軌在大順路平面的概念應該是沒有問題的,
問題從來都是在市民的素質和其他幹線公車配套才是關鍵....
越落後地方的人民通常會越把"方便就好"掛嘴邊,
然後進而合理化自己的行為,
輕軌一階目前發生的那些車禍,每件都是因為車輛自己貪圖方便而肇事,
好像連最基本的遵守燈號行駛也會要他命一樣.
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