關於輕軌. - 高雄
By Megan
at 2021-01-17T01:06
at 2021-01-17T01:06
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現在沒有選舉.
應該可以好好談一下.
你要知道,第一階段輕軌,反彈沒很大的主因是.
他要嘛走在港邊山邊,要嘛走在原本就不通的前火車鐵軌上.
但更重要的是,他只貫穿一條幹道級的馬路,也就是中山路.
然後這個中山路,還有一個高架橋,那個高架橋有"六線道"
因此,各位還沒真正感受輕軌的"威力"...XD
但下一個階段.
我們姑且先不講輕軌走在大順路上的問題.
你要知道輕軌要通過,中華路,博愛路,自由路,民族路,建工路,九如路,建國路,中正路.
有沒有很刺激...XD
想一下,上下般的時候,這些路段平時是怎樣的人車潮...
建國路常常從國道那邊開始排隊各位又不是不清楚.
博愛民族車潮也很滿.
之後輕軌都跟它們交叉...
等同這些路段,平均紅綠燈都要多20~30秒.
然後還沒完.
你要知道中博高架橋拆掉後,中山博愛路這一段會等同多兩個紅綠燈.
跟建國路和九如路交叉口的紅綠燈.
以前中博高架橋就直接過去,現在就乖乖等兩個紅綠燈再走.
也因此,其實之前新火車站中山博愛路的交通,有討論過走地下道而非今天的圓環.
當然最後選擇圓環...ok..
但這樣,你先多兩個紅綠燈,之後輕軌那邊再多20~30秒的號誌時間.
那....各位想想會怎樣.
不要說這樣會更多人放棄開車而搭輕軌...XD
那個目前還是太難了....
無論費用,還是機動性,還是便利性....目前輕軌都還沒有足以競爭私有載具的能量.
高雄又不愛下雨,停車位也不難找,氣候也不會讓人痛苦...
所以絕大多數人會寧願塞在馬路上幹你娘三字經的罵,也不會選擇搭輕軌.
這是至少我看十幾年都無法改變的狀況.
(因為你蓋一條捷運要八年)
除非你把捷運黃線藍線棕線都蓋一蓋,讓大眾交通便利性更提升.
否則...在高雄公車殘廢之後,大眾交通系統就被私有載具壓著打.
你要知道,六都,就高雄公車最殘廢...
為啥公車殘廢??
阿高雄就,好停車,不下雨,路大條又直.....外加..公寓比率沒台北那麼高.
(公寓代表,你停車很麻煩...包含你的機車..所以台北私有載具的延伸成本很高.
但是高雄透天很多,不然大樓也不少,因此開車的大多都有地方停車...)
天生私有載具優勢太龐大.所以公車被"競爭掉了"
而沒有公車做細部配套,後來有捷運,捷運依然被私有載具壓著打..
更不論輕軌又不是和捷運在地下串聯可以一票到底,還要進出站換站...
輕軌只會比捷運更弱勢而已..
因此...你想要靠塞車去改變高雄人放棄私有載具而選擇輕軌的想法...太天真了.
這種手段,會被反嗜很嚴重...
現在人民很不好惹的...!!
人民不會允許你動用"棍子"教育他們!!!尤其在它們沒有犯法違法的時候!!!
但是拉,不管怎樣.
我們輕軌既然是"人民多數表決要蓋"..
那就蓋吧.
我只能講,因為如此,所以我躲去美術館..XD
你們塞車塞到死,我在美術館看熱鬧.
之後我走同盟,走鼓山路,走翠華路.
外加美術館本來車就少,就算要橫越美術館路的輕軌,也不會造成太明顯的交通影響.
我為啥急急忙忙趕在去年搬到美術館,也是因為一方面我以為義享天地要開幕.
另一方面,我以為輕軌大順路段要動工..
那我在富國明誠....我一定塞車塞到崩潰...
所以快速逃難..XD
當然後來這些都延期了..那...反正跟我沒關係.
之前就提過,輕軌要走入市區,高架或是地下化.
經費的話就看前瞻可不可以撥過來,要是壓力更大,那就縮減黃線的一些經費過來..
可是那時候本版在瘋迷選舉.
凡是謗輕軌者死....
連高架化也不可以,連地下化也不可以.
想也不可以想,說出來你就是異教徒!!!!!
那...我就只好顧自己,然後看你們熱鬧拉..XD
而今天...輕軌才通過三多路四維路...還沒過五福中正那一個大路口.
交通堵塞問題就先浮上水面.
那..文化中心那邊的有錢人應該就開始有所反應了.
之後應該還有很多戲可以看.
看看等到大順路工程下去,還是不是全民支持輕軌..XD
這就更不用說之後整個輕軌環狀上路,再來看看到底是不是全民支持輕軌.
最後...
捷運林園線地下化,537億....
輕軌當初預估地下化兩百多億.
你跟我講輕軌沒錢在市中心地下化,可以在林園地下化.
這你倒是解釋解釋....
是林園交通太擁擠,會造成人民的不方便,造成經濟損失,造成人民生命的安全問題.
所以我們要在林園花五百多億地下化.
然後市中心是次等公民,不用管它們死活,讓他們塞車就會去搭輕軌.
因此兩百多億政府沒有這麼多錢可以花.你們忍耐忍耐..
這一點真的令我非常不解...XD
你林園地下化,岡山路竹延伸線高架化..
然後市中心輕軌走平面.
然後無論林園還是路竹延伸的經費都遠遠高於輕軌做高架或是地下的經費.
阿真的好啦,林園真的交通太重要了,我們絕對不可以平面化.
那可不可以折衷一下.
林園高架化,然後輕軌也高架化???...這我相信兩者都高架化後,還會有餘額上百億.
但...
反正我不懂啦...
留給各位專業的鄉民慢慢研究..
--
應該可以好好談一下.
你要知道,第一階段輕軌,反彈沒很大的主因是.
他要嘛走在港邊山邊,要嘛走在原本就不通的前火車鐵軌上.
但更重要的是,他只貫穿一條幹道級的馬路,也就是中山路.
然後這個中山路,還有一個高架橋,那個高架橋有"六線道"
因此,各位還沒真正感受輕軌的"威力"...XD
但下一個階段.
我們姑且先不講輕軌走在大順路上的問題.
你要知道輕軌要通過,中華路,博愛路,自由路,民族路,建工路,九如路,建國路,中正路.
有沒有很刺激...XD
想一下,上下般的時候,這些路段平時是怎樣的人車潮...
建國路常常從國道那邊開始排隊各位又不是不清楚.
博愛民族車潮也很滿.
之後輕軌都跟它們交叉...
等同這些路段,平均紅綠燈都要多20~30秒.
然後還沒完.
你要知道中博高架橋拆掉後,中山博愛路這一段會等同多兩個紅綠燈.
跟建國路和九如路交叉口的紅綠燈.
以前中博高架橋就直接過去,現在就乖乖等兩個紅綠燈再走.
也因此,其實之前新火車站中山博愛路的交通,有討論過走地下道而非今天的圓環.
當然最後選擇圓環...ok..
但這樣,你先多兩個紅綠燈,之後輕軌那邊再多20~30秒的號誌時間.
那....各位想想會怎樣.
不要說這樣會更多人放棄開車而搭輕軌...XD
那個目前還是太難了....
無論費用,還是機動性,還是便利性....目前輕軌都還沒有足以競爭私有載具的能量.
高雄又不愛下雨,停車位也不難找,氣候也不會讓人痛苦...
所以絕大多數人會寧願塞在馬路上幹你娘三字經的罵,也不會選擇搭輕軌.
這是至少我看十幾年都無法改變的狀況.
(因為你蓋一條捷運要八年)
除非你把捷運黃線藍線棕線都蓋一蓋,讓大眾交通便利性更提升.
否則...在高雄公車殘廢之後,大眾交通系統就被私有載具壓著打.
你要知道,六都,就高雄公車最殘廢...
為啥公車殘廢??
阿高雄就,好停車,不下雨,路大條又直.....外加..公寓比率沒台北那麼高.
(公寓代表,你停車很麻煩...包含你的機車..所以台北私有載具的延伸成本很高.
但是高雄透天很多,不然大樓也不少,因此開車的大多都有地方停車...)
天生私有載具優勢太龐大.所以公車被"競爭掉了"
而沒有公車做細部配套,後來有捷運,捷運依然被私有載具壓著打..
更不論輕軌又不是和捷運在地下串聯可以一票到底,還要進出站換站...
輕軌只會比捷運更弱勢而已..
因此...你想要靠塞車去改變高雄人放棄私有載具而選擇輕軌的想法...太天真了.
這種手段,會被反嗜很嚴重...
現在人民很不好惹的...!!
人民不會允許你動用"棍子"教育他們!!!尤其在它們沒有犯法違法的時候!!!
但是拉,不管怎樣.
我們輕軌既然是"人民多數表決要蓋"..
那就蓋吧.
我只能講,因為如此,所以我躲去美術館..XD
你們塞車塞到死,我在美術館看熱鬧.
之後我走同盟,走鼓山路,走翠華路.
外加美術館本來車就少,就算要橫越美術館路的輕軌,也不會造成太明顯的交通影響.
我為啥急急忙忙趕在去年搬到美術館,也是因為一方面我以為義享天地要開幕.
另一方面,我以為輕軌大順路段要動工..
那我在富國明誠....我一定塞車塞到崩潰...
所以快速逃難..XD
當然後來這些都延期了..那...反正跟我沒關係.
之前就提過,輕軌要走入市區,高架或是地下化.
經費的話就看前瞻可不可以撥過來,要是壓力更大,那就縮減黃線的一些經費過來..
可是那時候本版在瘋迷選舉.
凡是謗輕軌者死....
連高架化也不可以,連地下化也不可以.
想也不可以想,說出來你就是異教徒!!!!!
那...我就只好顧自己,然後看你們熱鬧拉..XD
而今天...輕軌才通過三多路四維路...還沒過五福中正那一個大路口.
交通堵塞問題就先浮上水面.
那..文化中心那邊的有錢人應該就開始有所反應了.
之後應該還有很多戲可以看.
看看等到大順路工程下去,還是不是全民支持輕軌..XD
這就更不用說之後整個輕軌環狀上路,再來看看到底是不是全民支持輕軌.
最後...
捷運林園線地下化,537億....
輕軌當初預估地下化兩百多億.
你跟我講輕軌沒錢在市中心地下化,可以在林園地下化.
這你倒是解釋解釋....
是林園交通太擁擠,會造成人民的不方便,造成經濟損失,造成人民生命的安全問題.
所以我們要在林園花五百多億地下化.
然後市中心是次等公民,不用管它們死活,讓他們塞車就會去搭輕軌.
因此兩百多億政府沒有這麼多錢可以花.你們忍耐忍耐..
這一點真的令我非常不解...XD
你林園地下化,岡山路竹延伸線高架化..
然後市中心輕軌走平面.
然後無論林園還是路竹延伸的經費都遠遠高於輕軌做高架或是地下的經費.
阿真的好啦,林園真的交通太重要了,我們絕對不可以平面化.
那可不可以折衷一下.
林園高架化,然後輕軌也高架化???...這我相信兩者都高架化後,還會有餘額上百億.
但...
反正我不懂啦...
留給各位專業的鄉民慢慢研究..
--
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