遭柯文哲爆刪「基八段」會議記錄 林右昌 - 基隆

By Ula
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Table of Contents
※ 引述《IBIZA (溫一壺月光作酒)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《oginome (荻野目洋子)》之銘言:
: : 林右昌市長在很多次訪問都一直強調基隆端都是公有土地、現有馬路,
: : 不徵收民地、不增加經費:https://youtu.be/OeeNwYBgapw?t=40
: : 假設林右昌市長的認知是不廢台鐵,有台鐵和基捷並存的可行性方案
: : 以目前在路廊不夠的條件下,要如何不徵收民地就多出一條能蓋基捷
: : 的土地?如果是這樣,那王國材為何還說會考慮廢台鐵?
: 其實有
: 但王國材本來就是以廢基隆端台鐵才是他的主要目的
: 請交通部規劃正是請鬼拿藥單
: 台五線南榮路的路寬為20-26公尺, 中運量高架, 有個十幾公尺就夠了
: 中間有兩個很短的隧道, 問題應該不大
這兩個隧道就是大問題
因為隧道的土木結構不能改
不能把隧道加大
: 這條路線最少可以一直通到南榮路愛三路口
: 之後理想是轉愛三路到公車轉運站設站
: 但這一段平常就塞的很厲害, 再加個高架軌道可能會很慘
: 也不確定中運量能否在這麼小的路口急轉彎
: 不過即使捷運站設在南榮路口, 也已經很靠基隆市區了
: 高架走台五線進基隆, 應該是兼顧路線不要繞太遠+對基隆交通影響最小的方案
: 其他縣市的中運量捷運, 路幅更窄的都可以維持雙向各一線通車
就算前面提到的兩個隧道
高架插在河谷繞過去好了
若真的在南榮路 一路台五線插高架
硬幹過去南港
依據過去新北蓋捷運經驗
工程拖延 預算不斷追加
基八線(基隆到八堵)
八汐線(八堵到汐止)
汐南線(汐止到南港)
保守估計五年蓋不完
沿途每天都是交通黑暗期
以前最早台北捷運開始動工時
天天塞爆
因為捷運作地下化要挖大量的土
空氣品質又差
開車騎車的幹得要死
所以那時的市長黃大洲第二次選就沒選上
如果蓋高架
施工時車道一定剩一半
高架旁的站點一定要徵收民宅
不然台五線沿路那邊有空地蓋站?
然後這就會落入柯P講的徵收時間冗長
要跟居民談 要環評...一堆有的沒的
以工程角度來看
幾年前我在版上就說輕軌那個根本不可行也沒用
現在我認為廢台鐵才有可能蓋捷運
當然有人覺得台鐵搭車時間比捷運快
我是黑人問號啦
不過既然王官員都發出拖字訣了
基隆交通都已經四十年沒變了
也不差這幾年啦
可以繼續四十年不變 kerker~
--
: ※ 引述《oginome (荻野目洋子)》之銘言:
: : 林右昌市長在很多次訪問都一直強調基隆端都是公有土地、現有馬路,
: : 不徵收民地、不增加經費:https://youtu.be/OeeNwYBgapw?t=40
: : 以目前在路廊不夠的條件下,要如何不徵收民地就多出一條能蓋基捷
: : 的土地?如果是這樣,那王國材為何還說會考慮廢台鐵?
: 其實有
: 但王國材本來就是以廢基隆端台鐵才是他的主要目的
: 請交通部規劃正是請鬼拿藥單
: 台五線南榮路的路寬為20-26公尺, 中運量高架, 有個十幾公尺就夠了
: 中間有兩個很短的隧道, 問題應該不大
這兩個隧道就是大問題
因為隧道的土木結構不能改
不能把隧道加大
: 這條路線最少可以一直通到南榮路愛三路口
: 之後理想是轉愛三路到公車轉運站設站
: 但這一段平常就塞的很厲害, 再加個高架軌道可能會很慘
: 也不確定中運量能否在這麼小的路口急轉彎
: 不過即使捷運站設在南榮路口, 也已經很靠基隆市區了
: 高架走台五線進基隆, 應該是兼顧路線不要繞太遠+對基隆交通影響最小的方案
: 其他縣市的中運量捷運, 路幅更窄的都可以維持雙向各一線通車
就算前面提到的兩個隧道
高架插在河谷繞過去好了
若真的在南榮路 一路台五線插高架
硬幹過去南港
依據過去新北蓋捷運經驗
工程拖延 預算不斷追加
基八線(基隆到八堵)
八汐線(八堵到汐止)
汐南線(汐止到南港)
保守估計五年蓋不完
沿途每天都是交通黑暗期
以前最早台北捷運開始動工時
天天塞爆
因為捷運作地下化要挖大量的土
空氣品質又差
開車騎車的幹得要死
所以那時的市長黃大洲第二次選就沒選上
如果蓋高架
施工時車道一定剩一半
高架旁的站點一定要徵收民宅
不然台五線沿路那邊有空地蓋站?
然後這就會落入柯P講的徵收時間冗長
要跟居民談 要環評...一堆有的沒的
以工程角度來看
幾年前我在版上就說輕軌那個根本不可行也沒用
現在我認為廢台鐵才有可能蓋捷運
當然有人覺得台鐵搭車時間比捷運快
我是黑人問號啦
不過既然王官員都發出拖字訣了
基隆交通都已經四十年沒變了
也不差這幾年啦
可以繼續四十年不變 kerker~
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