林于凱 大順路段輕軌工程座談會 心得 - 高雄
By Erin
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好,今天我又去了
不過這次沒有安排專家學者的部分,主要分三個主要議題交互民眾發言,並且在之後由捷
運局和交通局官員來做回覆
講結論:與1/5吳益政議員舉辦的公聽會差不多,支持輕軌者佔壓倒性多數
正方意見都講到爛掉了,其實把1/5的片段放出來和今天有九成像,所以我聽幾個反對意
見,我比較有印象的:
1.為什麼鐵路都地下化了,我們還要在路面再弄一個輕軌
2.都市計畫法在程序上有沒有問題?我都去找黃昭順陳情、找監察院blabla,都沒有給我
一個滿意的答覆。(好像是大順路反輕軌會長之類的)
而且我媽八九十歲了,他不停在門口的話要怎樣才方便?
我誰誰的朋友就是車商,他們這些車的使用該怎麼辦
為什麼就不能在大順路先跑一個電動公車咧
3.應該地下化啦,我們要有遠見,這樣才不會塞車
4.大順路原本就很塞車了,弄一個平面輕軌不是更塞,我們應該高架化
5.大順路就很塞車了,弄一個平面輕軌這樣車流不是會跑到別條路?
6.你說大順路輕軌附近有學校,難道你要讓這些學生自己走去搭輕軌然後走到學校嗎?
7.說很多國外的意見,但是這裡是高雄不是國外,有沒有去看看為什麼淡海輕軌有高架
正方意見:
8.因為淡海輕軌的高架段下方是重車車流多,所以高架化來分離重車和輕軌及路人
9.大順路為穿越車流,利用輕軌讓穿越車流改道,有需求的車輛才能進來,反而能夠促進
大順路段人流解放、商業繁榮、房價上漲etc
10.把大順路段部分區域改為BC混合路權,讓左轉車流使用輕軌車道,並藉由號誌在輕軌需
要運行時把車道清空
11.莫再提高架化,高架化雨豆樹必死無疑,必定抗爭。地下化如果不會動到樹就沒意見
、平面我們會好好監督施工過程是否會影響樹根和樹的生長
12.有多少錢做多少事,輕軌預算放著也不能拿去蓋黃線,不如好好研議後做掉平面。
13.日本、美國、英國等先進城市在市中心運行輕軌並退出私有車,反而商業更加繁榮
14.高雄市過去六年車禍傷亡人數40萬人,約合高雄市人口14%,捷運輕軌系統無傷亡
15.有大順路輕軌趕走不必要車流,商場人口流動更加方便,貨出去人進來高雄發大財
16.按照韓市長發大財及不多花錢邏輯,大順路做平面輕軌才是最佳選項
17.高架化仍會因為站體、基柱等關係佔用車道,還會有噪音、隱私等問題
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後面記比較清楚、前面有些可能混在一起了,不過大多是正向討論和技術性問題討論
比如說禁止左轉、避車彎、卸貨臨停區使用、無障礙優先使用車位、橫向車位優先規劃無
障礙用車位等問題
總而言之,又是一場輕軌支持者取暖大會,不知道韓總聽不聽得到?
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同性質文章請以大E修改內文方式加註,請勿於板上重覆多發
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不過這次沒有安排專家學者的部分,主要分三個主要議題交互民眾發言,並且在之後由捷
運局和交通局官員來做回覆
講結論:與1/5吳益政議員舉辦的公聽會差不多,支持輕軌者佔壓倒性多數
正方意見都講到爛掉了,其實把1/5的片段放出來和今天有九成像,所以我聽幾個反對意
見,我比較有印象的:
1.為什麼鐵路都地下化了,我們還要在路面再弄一個輕軌
2.都市計畫法在程序上有沒有問題?我都去找黃昭順陳情、找監察院blabla,都沒有給我
一個滿意的答覆。(好像是大順路反輕軌會長之類的)
而且我媽八九十歲了,他不停在門口的話要怎樣才方便?
我誰誰的朋友就是車商,他們這些車的使用該怎麼辦
為什麼就不能在大順路先跑一個電動公車咧
3.應該地下化啦,我們要有遠見,這樣才不會塞車
4.大順路原本就很塞車了,弄一個平面輕軌不是更塞,我們應該高架化
5.大順路就很塞車了,弄一個平面輕軌這樣車流不是會跑到別條路?
6.你說大順路輕軌附近有學校,難道你要讓這些學生自己走去搭輕軌然後走到學校嗎?
7.說很多國外的意見,但是這裡是高雄不是國外,有沒有去看看為什麼淡海輕軌有高架
正方意見:
8.因為淡海輕軌的高架段下方是重車車流多,所以高架化來分離重車和輕軌及路人
9.大順路為穿越車流,利用輕軌讓穿越車流改道,有需求的車輛才能進來,反而能夠促進
大順路段人流解放、商業繁榮、房價上漲etc
10.把大順路段部分區域改為BC混合路權,讓左轉車流使用輕軌車道,並藉由號誌在輕軌需
要運行時把車道清空
11.莫再提高架化,高架化雨豆樹必死無疑,必定抗爭。地下化如果不會動到樹就沒意見
、平面我們會好好監督施工過程是否會影響樹根和樹的生長
12.有多少錢做多少事,輕軌預算放著也不能拿去蓋黃線,不如好好研議後做掉平面。
13.日本、美國、英國等先進城市在市中心運行輕軌並退出私有車,反而商業更加繁榮
14.高雄市過去六年車禍傷亡人數40萬人,約合高雄市人口14%,捷運輕軌系統無傷亡
15.有大順路輕軌趕走不必要車流,商場人口流動更加方便,貨出去人進來高雄發大財
16.按照韓市長發大財及不多花錢邏輯,大順路做平面輕軌才是最佳選項
17.高架化仍會因為站體、基柱等關係佔用車道,還會有噪音、隱私等問題
==
後面記比較清楚、前面有些可能混在一起了,不過大多是正向討論和技術性問題討論
比如說禁止左轉、避車彎、卸貨臨停區使用、無障礙優先使用車位、橫向車位優先規劃無
障礙用車位等問題
總而言之,又是一場輕軌支持者取暖大會,不知道韓總聽不聽得到?
-----------------(以下請勿刪除)---------------------------------
高雄板非心情板、個板,無關高雄廣泛市民之文章請勿張貼。
例如:我家隔壁的母貓生了小貓、對面的阿婆一個人獨居之類的。
這裡是高雄板,請討論與多數高雄市民有直接關聯性的文章。
高雄點請參考板規1-2
修改文章標題請於文章列表按大寫T
修改文章內文請於文章列表按大寫E
同性質文章請以大E修改內文方式加註,請勿於板上重覆多發
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