對基隆市政府擁護輕軌的幾點「異」見 - 基隆
By Aaliyah
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各位版友好,以下是個人對於市政府擁護輕軌的幾點看法,和大家討論,謝謝。
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這一部份引用新聞裡頭,市政府發言人的說法:
台鐵擬「退出基隆火車站」 基隆市府:輕軌不會誤點、班次多更方便
https://www.ettoday.net/news/20200729/1771645.htm#ixzz6TYhXLz6X
1. 基隆市政府發言人沈詠珮強調,現在城際快捷公車(2088、1579、1088)可以快速直
達台北,已大幅取代過去需要到基隆火車站轉乘火車的交通使用方式。
答:這不就表示那些乘客之後也不需要搭輕軌,那麼建輕軌有何用?輕軌反而影響到的是
,原本那些需要到基隆火車站坐火車「直達」台北(或南港以南)的人,變成需要下車轉
乘才能達到。
2. 沈詠珮表示,基隆輕軌捷運運量規劃已達到中運量下限,運量沒有問題。
答:可以想見,輕軌「中運量下限」,還是比現在台鐵的運量少。
3. 終點站將設在三鐵共構南港轉運站,台北市、交通部與基隆市已有共識,搭高鐵、轉
板南線都方便。
答:現在台鐵本來就會停南港站,現況就已經是「三鐵共構」,本來就可以轉搭高鐵、板
南線,所以何必再花一筆錢,再「共搆」一次?
4.過去台鐵基隆地區列車長久以來最讓市民垢病的就是「誤點」,基隆輕軌將徹底解決這
個問題。輕軌捷運不需看火車時刻表來搭車,更不需要停著等對號車通過浪費時間,相對
更省時
答:這是目前看起來比較明顯的優點。但問題是,難道現在每一班區間車都要等對號車通
過嗎?也沒到這種程度,相對而言,能確定的是,一旦搭輕軌,「每一班」列車都一定下
車轉乘才能到南港以南,這樣所有人花費時間成本加總,可能還更多。
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這一部份引用新聞裡頭,市長的說法:
批火車不會進基隆張冠李戴 林右昌:輕軌比火車快
https://udn.com/news/story/7314/4739046
5. 林右昌說,台鐵現在的狀況讓人不滿意,誤點始終無法解決,感覺比較快,事實上並
沒有,台鐵區間車常要在七堵、八堵等對號車。
答:回應同第四點。
6. 林右昌並指出,基隆輕軌的運量已規畫到中運量,最重要的是基隆不用出到一毛錢。
答:回應同第二點。又,直接台鐵現有資源再利用不是更省錢?基隆市政府不用出錢,中
央政府的錢難道就不是我們納稅人的錢?還是這一筆錢可以限定為讓戶籍在基隆市以外的
納稅人出?那樣或許還可以考慮。
7. 林右昌說,事實上,火車有誤點的情況,還要等其他對號列車經過,但未來捷運有專
屬的路權,捷運的特性就是起步快、停得快,準點也不會誤點,整體效率會比台鐵火車還
好。
答:回應同第四點。
再參考網友「從可行性報告及市政總質詢來看基隆輕軌」一文的內容:
「以高性能輕軌列車行駛,基隆到南港展覽館的時間仍需要30分鐘,與現行台鐵電聯車基
隆-南港的行車時間差不多。今天一位通勤族在南港軟體園區工作,輕軌到捷運南港展覽
館固然方便,但要到台北車站 或松山車站附近工作的通勤族就必須在八堵、七堵、五堵
、汐止 或汐科站轉車,加計轉換月台及候車時間,其實花費的通勤時間還比原本來搭台
鐵高……」
https://tinyurl.com/yy7excqk
8. 林右昌表示,有一點他要特別澄清,有張冠李戴說「火車不會進基隆」,是火車不一
定要進市中心現在舊火車站,現在八堵站和七堵站本來就是重要轉運中心,安樂、七堵、
暖暖區等民眾都是利用這兩個站轉乘,另外,中正、仁愛、信義區很多民眾搭2088、1579
快捷公車。
答:意思就是「火車不一定要進市中心」,你們要搭可以想辦法去八堵站和七堵站搭。這
樣原本可以在市中心火車站上車的人,就比較不方便了啊。
又,同第一點,原本搭2088、1579快捷公車的人本來就不會搭台鐵,當然也不搭輕軌,那
你多花一筆錢改成輕軌到底是為了什麼?只是影響到原本會搭台鐵的民眾而已。
10. 據市府統計,有了城際快捷公車後,到基隆火車站搭乘的只剩過去的三分之一,過去
一天可能要3萬多人次,現在一天剩1萬多人次。
答:所以就是每天會有1萬多人次受到影響,要多跑兩站搭火車,或者改用其他交通工具
。這樣的犧牲,究竟換來的是什麼?
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這一部份引用新聞裡頭,市政府發言人的說法:
台鐵擬「退出基隆火車站」 基隆市府:輕軌不會誤點、班次多更方便
https://www.ettoday.net/news/20200729/1771645.htm#ixzz6TYhXLz6X
1. 基隆市政府發言人沈詠珮強調,現在城際快捷公車(2088、1579、1088)可以快速直
達台北,已大幅取代過去需要到基隆火車站轉乘火車的交通使用方式。
答:這不就表示那些乘客之後也不需要搭輕軌,那麼建輕軌有何用?輕軌反而影響到的是
,原本那些需要到基隆火車站坐火車「直達」台北(或南港以南)的人,變成需要下車轉
乘才能達到。
2. 沈詠珮表示,基隆輕軌捷運運量規劃已達到中運量下限,運量沒有問題。
答:可以想見,輕軌「中運量下限」,還是比現在台鐵的運量少。
3. 終點站將設在三鐵共構南港轉運站,台北市、交通部與基隆市已有共識,搭高鐵、轉
板南線都方便。
答:現在台鐵本來就會停南港站,現況就已經是「三鐵共構」,本來就可以轉搭高鐵、板
南線,所以何必再花一筆錢,再「共搆」一次?
4.過去台鐵基隆地區列車長久以來最讓市民垢病的就是「誤點」,基隆輕軌將徹底解決這
個問題。輕軌捷運不需看火車時刻表來搭車,更不需要停著等對號車通過浪費時間,相對
更省時
答:這是目前看起來比較明顯的優點。但問題是,難道現在每一班區間車都要等對號車通
過嗎?也沒到這種程度,相對而言,能確定的是,一旦搭輕軌,「每一班」列車都一定下
車轉乘才能到南港以南,這樣所有人花費時間成本加總,可能還更多。
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這一部份引用新聞裡頭,市長的說法:
批火車不會進基隆張冠李戴 林右昌:輕軌比火車快
https://udn.com/news/story/7314/4739046
5. 林右昌說,台鐵現在的狀況讓人不滿意,誤點始終無法解決,感覺比較快,事實上並
沒有,台鐵區間車常要在七堵、八堵等對號車。
答:回應同第四點。
6. 林右昌並指出,基隆輕軌的運量已規畫到中運量,最重要的是基隆不用出到一毛錢。
答:回應同第二點。又,直接台鐵現有資源再利用不是更省錢?基隆市政府不用出錢,中
央政府的錢難道就不是我們納稅人的錢?還是這一筆錢可以限定為讓戶籍在基隆市以外的
納稅人出?那樣或許還可以考慮。
7. 林右昌說,事實上,火車有誤點的情況,還要等其他對號列車經過,但未來捷運有專
屬的路權,捷運的特性就是起步快、停得快,準點也不會誤點,整體效率會比台鐵火車還
好。
答:回應同第四點。
再參考網友「從可行性報告及市政總質詢來看基隆輕軌」一文的內容:
「以高性能輕軌列車行駛,基隆到南港展覽館的時間仍需要30分鐘,與現行台鐵電聯車基
隆-南港的行車時間差不多。今天一位通勤族在南港軟體園區工作,輕軌到捷運南港展覽
館固然方便,但要到台北車站 或松山車站附近工作的通勤族就必須在八堵、七堵、五堵
、汐止 或汐科站轉車,加計轉換月台及候車時間,其實花費的通勤時間還比原本來搭台
鐵高……」
https://tinyurl.com/yy7excqk
8. 林右昌表示,有一點他要特別澄清,有張冠李戴說「火車不會進基隆」,是火車不一
定要進市中心現在舊火車站,現在八堵站和七堵站本來就是重要轉運中心,安樂、七堵、
暖暖區等民眾都是利用這兩個站轉乘,另外,中正、仁愛、信義區很多民眾搭2088、1579
快捷公車。
答:意思就是「火車不一定要進市中心」,你們要搭可以想辦法去八堵站和七堵站搭。這
樣原本可以在市中心火車站上車的人,就比較不方便了啊。
又,同第一點,原本搭2088、1579快捷公車的人本來就不會搭台鐵,當然也不搭輕軌,那
你多花一筆錢改成輕軌到底是為了什麼?只是影響到原本會搭台鐵的民眾而已。
10. 據市府統計,有了城際快捷公車後,到基隆火車站搭乘的只剩過去的三分之一,過去
一天可能要3萬多人次,現在一天剩1萬多人次。
答:所以就是每天會有1萬多人次受到影響,要多跑兩站搭火車,或者改用其他交通工具
。這樣的犧牲,究竟換來的是什麼?
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