北宜直鐵 - 宜蘭

By John
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宜蘭板首PO請鞭小力>_<
根據這幾天的討論,以及去查閱鐵工局的資料,我覺得反對的人可以:
反對雙溪-大溪 兩溪直通
先附上鐵工局的網址:http://ppt.cc/5-fg。而為什麼是這樣反,以下是我的分析,
請搭配鐵工局的Q&A服用:
1.時間
這是目前政策宣傳主打的點。然而去看一下現在的方案,截了那麼多彎也才省了19分
鐘,那少截這段路估計也只少省了6~7分鐘。還是能達到省時的目的。
2.容量
這是目前我看正方主打的點。然而根據鐵工局的資料以及正方的說法,會塞是在七堵
到瑞芳這段路,所以需要分流。但觀察一下路線,其實蓋到雙溪站就有分流的效果了,實
在沒有很必要繼續通道大溪來。
3.金錢
這算是我蠻CARE的點之一,花500億結果效果沒有很好。如果不蓋這段,我想經費能
夠砍掉不少。因為挖隧道很危險,尤其東北角還經過一堆有的沒的地質,所以合理推測經
費其實大部分都撥在這條隧道上。
4.環境
這是很多環團反對的點,也是另一個我很CARE的點。因為這條路要開挖山脈,對環境
的破壞很大,如果能夠避免掉的話,就不會對生態造成那麼直接而有威脅性的衝擊,也不
會有工人因為開挖隧道而犧牲了。
5.他地事務
如果避開了這段,其他的部分其實都在台北境內,所以我們根本也不用在這邊吵老半
天,搞得板上烏煙瘴氣的。
6.其他
有人說直鐵的隧道可以留給高鐵,但我認為,高鐵目前遙遙無期,現在就開挖隧道,
那到時候如果不適合不是又要繼續動土?不如等到高鐵拍板後,再決定如何開挖最符合當
下時空背景的隧道不是更好嗎?
最後再提供一個我的觀點。我認為他說直鐵可以疏散國五的流量根本是屁。你看鐵工
局給的資料,客運已超過60輛/HR。乍聽之下很可怕,但你仔細想,以高速公路速限90,
平面6~70來算,一公里一台客運車其實也沒多少。假想一下如果今天國道上只有這些客運
會那麼塞嗎?絕對不會吧!那為什麼還是塞的那麼嚴重呢?就是因為大家都要開車,畢竟
除了台北有那麼密集的大眾運輸工具外,你到其他地方絕對都是沒車=沒腳。以這個觀點
下去看,你說有多少人會放棄開車改搭火車?就算全部搭客運的都去搭火車,國五還是塞
到爆炸啦!
打完收工~謝謝指教。
--
根據這幾天的討論,以及去查閱鐵工局的資料,我覺得反對的人可以:
反對雙溪-大溪 兩溪直通
先附上鐵工局的網址:http://ppt.cc/5-fg。而為什麼是這樣反,以下是我的分析,
請搭配鐵工局的Q&A服用:
1.時間
這是目前政策宣傳主打的點。然而去看一下現在的方案,截了那麼多彎也才省了19分
鐘,那少截這段路估計也只少省了6~7分鐘。還是能達到省時的目的。
2.容量
這是目前我看正方主打的點。然而根據鐵工局的資料以及正方的說法,會塞是在七堵
到瑞芳這段路,所以需要分流。但觀察一下路線,其實蓋到雙溪站就有分流的效果了,實
在沒有很必要繼續通道大溪來。
3.金錢
這算是我蠻CARE的點之一,花500億結果效果沒有很好。如果不蓋這段,我想經費能
夠砍掉不少。因為挖隧道很危險,尤其東北角還經過一堆有的沒的地質,所以合理推測經
費其實大部分都撥在這條隧道上。
4.環境
這是很多環團反對的點,也是另一個我很CARE的點。因為這條路要開挖山脈,對環境
的破壞很大,如果能夠避免掉的話,就不會對生態造成那麼直接而有威脅性的衝擊,也不
會有工人因為開挖隧道而犧牲了。
5.他地事務
如果避開了這段,其他的部分其實都在台北境內,所以我們根本也不用在這邊吵老半
天,搞得板上烏煙瘴氣的。
6.其他
有人說直鐵的隧道可以留給高鐵,但我認為,高鐵目前遙遙無期,現在就開挖隧道,
那到時候如果不適合不是又要繼續動土?不如等到高鐵拍板後,再決定如何開挖最符合當
下時空背景的隧道不是更好嗎?
最後再提供一個我的觀點。我認為他說直鐵可以疏散國五的流量根本是屁。你看鐵工
局給的資料,客運已超過60輛/HR。乍聽之下很可怕,但你仔細想,以高速公路速限90,
平面6~70來算,一公里一台客運車其實也沒多少。假想一下如果今天國道上只有這些客運
會那麼塞嗎?絕對不會吧!那為什麼還是塞的那麼嚴重呢?就是因為大家都要開車,畢竟
除了台北有那麼密集的大眾運輸工具外,你到其他地方絕對都是沒車=沒腳。以這個觀點
下去看,你說有多少人會放棄開車改搭火車?就算全部搭客運的都去搭火車,國五還是塞
到爆炸啦!
打完收工~謝謝指教。
--
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