黃捷問政真的好嗎? - 高雄
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※ 引述《dralnu (淡藍跑道燈)》之銘言:
: https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/3272632
: 上面是自由時報的新聞:
: 時力選委會今召開記者會釋疑,黃蓉入黨申請因與其他11人共用同一張信用卡繳交黨費,「
: 不符經驗法則」,故審核尚未通過,還不是黨員,因此不具有投票資格,會發現自己「投
: 過票」是因為使用已投過票的黨員投票連結所致。
: 其中也有黃捷的聲明, 我就不列出
: 從上述新聞可得知:必須要是時力黨員才能投票,而要成為黨員其中一個條件就是繳黨費
: 黃捷他妹一開始網路上爆料就是自揭變成時力「人頭黨員」,黨員資格尚未通過審核,
: 卻已經在補選「投過票」
: 這部份也釐清是拿了別人投票連結,所以才會有投過票的狀況
: 那黃捷代繳黨費到底有什麼奇怪? 我想主要原因就在於 : "時代力量決策委員補選"
: 黃捷支付了黃蓉等12人黨費, 這些人都支持她的話,就等同多了12張選票
: 而決策委員可以選黨主席及管理政黨事務, 我想應該也有權力決定地方選舉提名
: 選舉的時候,政府都會強調清查幽靈人口
: 投票前夕大老遠去雲林黨部幫忙親友申請黨籍又幫忙付錢
: 我個人是覺得很違反常理
黃捷人頭黨員我認為問題是不大。
這個案子分兩個,一個是代付黨費,一個是雲林黨部收到高雄地址的入黨申請
前者是12個(包括黃蓉),後者據時力調查是68件。
https://udn.com/news/story/6656/5114209
根據調查報告統計,雲林黨部所收到的紙本入黨申請表共182件,高達166件的申請人地址
與送件黨部沒有地緣關係,其中來自高雄的申請表有68件。
而時力決策委員選舉是可以複選,原因之一有聽過就是為了降低人頭黨員影響。
https://www.newpowerparty.tw/rules/%E6%99%82%E4%BB%A3%E5%8A%9B%E9%87%8F%E6%B1%
BA%E7%AD%96%E5%A7%94%E5%93%A1%E9%81%B8%E8%88%89%E8%BE%A6%E6%B3%95
第七條
每位黨員可勾選不超過正選(十五人)與候補人數(三人)加總之候選人(至多十八人)
,依據得票多寡次序選出本黨黨章規定名額之決策委員。若候選人票數相同且超出應選名
額時,抽籤決定。
https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/3411519
今年(2021)決策委員會選舉,最後一名也要兩百多票。
https://newtalk.tw/news/view/2020-08-28/457312
而當時(2020)黃捷參選的那一屆有效票人數是1323人,黃捷拿到781票,排第八。
(前15名為正選,16~18遞補)
就算黃捷扣掉一百票還是可以當選。
基本上會有黨員讓黃捷代付黨費,她的講法是當時時力沒有規定一定要本人信用卡付錢。
以黃蓉為例,她是讓黃捷刷卡後再給黃捷黨費。
而當時時力選舉委員會也不認為這樣是人頭黨員。
https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/3272265
(時力選委會委員)蔡惠婷表示,絕對不會認為黃蓉是人頭黨員,因為黃捷是我們時代力量
非常珍惜、而且重視的夥伴,也希望黃蓉儘速向紀律委員會提出申訴,來依法裁決。
後來時力把線上申請黨員給拿掉了...(想當初我也是線上加入的)
以時力投票規則來看,複選投票的確降低不少人頭黨員的影響,
對黃捷想選決策委員來說,就算這些有問題的都是她的人頭黨員也對結果影響不大,
更何況她當時具有全國知名度,當選決策委員應該不難。
所以我認為以數量跟動機來說不太有可能。
其實當時時力吵人頭黨員問題焦點不是在黃捷,是在林昶佐,當時有風聲是肥迪想靠
這些人頭黨員掃決策委員進而影響時力。
https://udn.com/news/story/6656/4688774
不過被時力否認。
https://newtalk.tw/news/view/2020-07-09/433252
時力表示,目前全案仍在調查當中,也已安排相關單位前來中央會談,協助中央釐清相關
案情,「目前案件尚在調查中,更未有黨內人員聯合黨外勢力之結論。此案待有調查結果
出爐後,會再完整公開說明」。
--
: https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/3272632
: 上面是自由時報的新聞:
: 時力選委會今召開記者會釋疑,黃蓉入黨申請因與其他11人共用同一張信用卡繳交黨費,「
: 不符經驗法則」,故審核尚未通過,還不是黨員,因此不具有投票資格,會發現自己「投
: 過票」是因為使用已投過票的黨員投票連結所致。
: 其中也有黃捷的聲明, 我就不列出
: 從上述新聞可得知:必須要是時力黨員才能投票,而要成為黨員其中一個條件就是繳黨費
: 黃捷他妹一開始網路上爆料就是自揭變成時力「人頭黨員」,黨員資格尚未通過審核,
: 卻已經在補選「投過票」
: 這部份也釐清是拿了別人投票連結,所以才會有投過票的狀況
: 那黃捷代繳黨費到底有什麼奇怪? 我想主要原因就在於 : "時代力量決策委員補選"
: 黃捷支付了黃蓉等12人黨費, 這些人都支持她的話,就等同多了12張選票
: 而決策委員可以選黨主席及管理政黨事務, 我想應該也有權力決定地方選舉提名
: 選舉的時候,政府都會強調清查幽靈人口
: 投票前夕大老遠去雲林黨部幫忙親友申請黨籍又幫忙付錢
: 我個人是覺得很違反常理
黃捷人頭黨員我認為問題是不大。
這個案子分兩個,一個是代付黨費,一個是雲林黨部收到高雄地址的入黨申請
前者是12個(包括黃蓉),後者據時力調查是68件。
https://udn.com/news/story/6656/5114209
根據調查報告統計,雲林黨部所收到的紙本入黨申請表共182件,高達166件的申請人地址
與送件黨部沒有地緣關係,其中來自高雄的申請表有68件。
而時力決策委員選舉是可以複選,原因之一有聽過就是為了降低人頭黨員影響。
https://www.newpowerparty.tw/rules/%E6%99%82%E4%BB%A3%E5%8A%9B%E9%87%8F%E6%B1%
BA%E7%AD%96%E5%A7%94%E5%93%A1%E9%81%B8%E8%88%89%E8%BE%A6%E6%B3%95
第七條
每位黨員可勾選不超過正選(十五人)與候補人數(三人)加總之候選人(至多十八人)
,依據得票多寡次序選出本黨黨章規定名額之決策委員。若候選人票數相同且超出應選名
額時,抽籤決定。
https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/3411519
今年(2021)決策委員會選舉,最後一名也要兩百多票。
https://newtalk.tw/news/view/2020-08-28/457312
而當時(2020)黃捷參選的那一屆有效票人數是1323人,黃捷拿到781票,排第八。
(前15名為正選,16~18遞補)
就算黃捷扣掉一百票還是可以當選。
基本上會有黨員讓黃捷代付黨費,她的講法是當時時力沒有規定一定要本人信用卡付錢。
以黃蓉為例,她是讓黃捷刷卡後再給黃捷黨費。
而當時時力選舉委員會也不認為這樣是人頭黨員。
https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/3272265
(時力選委會委員)蔡惠婷表示,絕對不會認為黃蓉是人頭黨員,因為黃捷是我們時代力量
非常珍惜、而且重視的夥伴,也希望黃蓉儘速向紀律委員會提出申訴,來依法裁決。
後來時力把線上申請黨員給拿掉了...(想當初我也是線上加入的)
以時力投票規則來看,複選投票的確降低不少人頭黨員的影響,
對黃捷想選決策委員來說,就算這些有問題的都是她的人頭黨員也對結果影響不大,
更何況她當時具有全國知名度,當選決策委員應該不難。
所以我認為以數量跟動機來說不太有可能。
其實當時時力吵人頭黨員問題焦點不是在黃捷,是在林昶佐,當時有風聲是肥迪想靠
這些人頭黨員掃決策委員進而影響時力。
https://udn.com/news/story/6656/4688774
不過被時力否認。
https://newtalk.tw/news/view/2020-07-09/433252
時力表示,目前全案仍在調查當中,也已安排相關單位前來中央會談,協助中央釐清相關
案情,「目前案件尚在調查中,更未有黨內人員聯合黨外勢力之結論。此案待有調查結果
出爐後,會再完整公開說明」。
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