高雄捷運黃線可行性研究 交通部今審議通 - 高雄
By Heather
at 2018-09-13T01:38
at 2018-09-13T01:38
Table of Contents
※ 引述《yinien (恨情歌)》之銘言:
: 有人注意到嗎
: 黃線是(中運量)喔
: 雖然地下化
: 但不用重運量
: 只求有就好
: 那幹嘛地下化
說到這又可以來講一些知識了。
其實中運量指的不是鐵路建設系統,而是毎小時的載客人次。
中運量指的是單向每小時2-3萬人次左右(每列車456人)
重運量指的是單向每小時6萬人次左右(每列車2220人)
高雄捷運目前一日的平均班次是633班次
"雙向"每小時約9700人次左右
一直以來都是中運量,這也是為什麼高雄捷運沒有掛六節的原因
最簡單的原因就是「不需要、不符合效益」
不要談買不買車的問題,就算買了但用不到的空車廂在線上跑維護也是成本
只要運量持續成長,所謂的中運量自然也會變成重運量系統。
(運量真的成長的話,這只要加掛車廂就好了)
當初高雄捷運的紅、橘線都是設計成重運量系統
但事實上目前的每日運量....大家知道的,就是中運量系統
至於為什麼地下化,這牽涉到城市發展,畢竟土建壽命要是用心維護
甚至可以使用到百年的,如果你現在採高架化,以後想要再改地下化,是費財又費力的事
地下化才是一件有遠見的事,看的是未來不是現在
高雄捷運其實一直都很辛苦的在經營,地區社經發展不如預期、
重大建設與開發案進度延遲、抑制私人運具政府推行不易,
且現有路網密集性及高雄地區大眾運輸環境難與私人運具競爭,造成運量不如預期且成長有限
其實版上最常引戰的「輕軌」真的是解決之道。
如果今天想要繼續發展推廣大眾運輸,但又受限於高雄發展不如預期,財政負擔困難
輕軌每公里的造價是捷運的1/7,蓋七條輕軌等於一條捷運的錢
在輕軌出來之前,大家不也擔心每天都會有車禍嗎?
事實上,真正發生車禍或是撞擊的次數,老實說有大家想的這麼頻繁嗎?
除了偶爾遇到的三寶外,這些都只是需要給人民時間和習慣改變罷了。
如果你問我蓋這條黃線如何,有的話當然好,但可以的話,我也想拿來蓋輕軌
而且不要再拖拖拉拉,光是招標都可以這麼會拖時間.....
別忘了,這條黃線蓋好的時間預計是"2028",但你覺得2028就會準時通車嗎....XD?
版上30歲的人,到時候都超過40歲啦!更不要說黃線之後再下一條,我們要多久後才能看到呢?
蓋輕軌的話速度會快很多,如果今天市區上多了七條輕軌線+運輸補助。
讓民眾養成大眾運輸的誘因和機會我相信更多一點
並且把捷運的里程和輕軌轉乘費用算在一起,不要又搞什麼分開計價
這樣只會降低民眾轉乘的誘因和意願
另外一個進步的城市,其實不應該有過多的"摩托車"和"汽車"
(注意 我兩個都講了,不要說我引戰機車族啊 = =a||| 我都騎機車的)
台灣就是一開始政府沒好好管制私人載具,到了現在人民已養成便利方便的習慣嚐到甜頭
要把這個甜頭從民眾身上拔起,可以說根本就是不可能,也為了自己的選票著想
我不是要怪罪現在開車和騎車的人,因為我自己也每天都騎車
這是政府一開始就沒想到並規劃大眾運輸導致的,直到問題發生了想要挽救
當然是難上加難。
看看日本,國家從一開始就想到並規劃好大眾運輸,管制私人載具
其實這樣才是正確的.............
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: 有人注意到嗎
: 黃線是(中運量)喔
: 雖然地下化
: 但不用重運量
: 只求有就好
: 那幹嘛地下化
說到這又可以來講一些知識了。
其實中運量指的不是鐵路建設系統,而是毎小時的載客人次。
中運量指的是單向每小時2-3萬人次左右(每列車456人)
重運量指的是單向每小時6萬人次左右(每列車2220人)
高雄捷運目前一日的平均班次是633班次
"雙向"每小時約9700人次左右
一直以來都是中運量,這也是為什麼高雄捷運沒有掛六節的原因
最簡單的原因就是「不需要、不符合效益」
不要談買不買車的問題,就算買了但用不到的空車廂在線上跑維護也是成本
只要運量持續成長,所謂的中運量自然也會變成重運量系統。
(運量真的成長的話,這只要加掛車廂就好了)
當初高雄捷運的紅、橘線都是設計成重運量系統
但事實上目前的每日運量....大家知道的,就是中運量系統
至於為什麼地下化,這牽涉到城市發展,畢竟土建壽命要是用心維護
甚至可以使用到百年的,如果你現在採高架化,以後想要再改地下化,是費財又費力的事
地下化才是一件有遠見的事,看的是未來不是現在
高雄捷運其實一直都很辛苦的在經營,地區社經發展不如預期、
重大建設與開發案進度延遲、抑制私人運具政府推行不易,
且現有路網密集性及高雄地區大眾運輸環境難與私人運具競爭,造成運量不如預期且成長有限
其實版上最常引戰的「輕軌」真的是解決之道。
如果今天想要繼續發展推廣大眾運輸,但又受限於高雄發展不如預期,財政負擔困難
輕軌每公里的造價是捷運的1/7,蓋七條輕軌等於一條捷運的錢
在輕軌出來之前,大家不也擔心每天都會有車禍嗎?
事實上,真正發生車禍或是撞擊的次數,老實說有大家想的這麼頻繁嗎?
除了偶爾遇到的三寶外,這些都只是需要給人民時間和習慣改變罷了。
如果你問我蓋這條黃線如何,有的話當然好,但可以的話,我也想拿來蓋輕軌
而且不要再拖拖拉拉,光是招標都可以這麼會拖時間.....
別忘了,這條黃線蓋好的時間預計是"2028",但你覺得2028就會準時通車嗎....XD?
版上30歲的人,到時候都超過40歲啦!更不要說黃線之後再下一條,我們要多久後才能看到呢?
蓋輕軌的話速度會快很多,如果今天市區上多了七條輕軌線+運輸補助。
讓民眾養成大眾運輸的誘因和機會我相信更多一點
並且把捷運的里程和輕軌轉乘費用算在一起,不要又搞什麼分開計價
這樣只會降低民眾轉乘的誘因和意願
另外一個進步的城市,其實不應該有過多的"摩托車"和"汽車"
(注意 我兩個都講了,不要說我引戰機車族啊 = =a||| 我都騎機車的)
台灣就是一開始政府沒好好管制私人載具,到了現在人民已養成便利方便的習慣嚐到甜頭
要把這個甜頭從民眾身上拔起,可以說根本就是不可能,也為了自己的選票著想
我不是要怪罪現在開車和騎車的人,因為我自己也每天都騎車
這是政府一開始就沒想到並規劃大眾運輸導致的,直到問題發生了想要挽救
當然是難上加難。
看看日本,國家從一開始就想到並規劃好大眾運輸,管制私人載具
其實這樣才是正確的.............
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▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ ________ ▄ ▄ ▄ ▄ ▄▄▄
▄▄ ▄▄▄ █▄ (Nintendo) ▄▄ ▄ ▄ ▄ ▄
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