關於罷免市長的問題 - 高雄

By Carol
at 2019-07-05T10:52
at 2019-07-05T10:52
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回答這次罷免案的幾個問題:
1、罷免成功後,如何換新市長?
若罷免成功,三個月內會重新改選,除非任期過半才會由中央指派代理市長
2、We Care與公民割草行動要填哪邊?
兩邊聯合舉辦,罷免書格式統一,只要選擇一邊填即可
3、現在去連署,第二階段會白搭?
完全錯誤,現在就是要一鼓作氣衝到30萬份連署書,
其中3萬份拿去做第一階段的提案連署,剩下的轉做第二階段的罷免連署
等第一階段成案後,會通知你來簽第二階段的連署書
為什麼要這樣做?We Care粉絲團有很完整的解釋
https://pse.is/J4JHF
趁現在還有熱度的時候,就要一鼓作氣衝,
千萬不要說什麼等第二階段再填,那是有心人故意放的說詞
第二階段60天內就要收集23萬以上的連署書,現在不先累積名單根本做不到
4、罷免日聽說在平日?
這是謠言,一般投票日都不會在平日舉辦
上次黃國昌罷免案的投票日是2017年12月16日,就是星期六
Update:
有人說要滿500字,我就轉貼We Care為何要一次衝滿30萬份的原因好了
給真心希望罷免成功的你/妳:
不要怕麻煩,現在提議簽到30萬,不怕二階60天找沒人!
是的!沒錯!
雖然不是很嚴謹的計算,罷免一階2萬2千8百份提議書應該是差不多達標了。
#罷免程序分三階段進行:提議、連署、投票。提議是1%的人,坦白說,本來就很容易,
而且會很快速達成。
法令規定滿一年始得罷免,因此提議書要12月25日才能送進去。提議是基本的,選委會幾
乎百分百通過。然後60天內要連署10%,也就是22萬8千高雄市民連署,罷免案才會真的成
案,才能投票,高雄才有機會reset。
那麼,現在提議差不多3萬,距離12/25還有近六個月,我們能做什麼?
#我們的主張是持續提議連署到30萬人。
如果不這麼做,只想著等12/25送件就好,
我想這應該是韓國瑜最希望的事。
所以他會告訴你,現在什麼都不能做。
因為12/25送件審查,等走完行政作業,
已經超過元月11號總統大選。
韓國瑜「#吃碗內看碗外」,成功了!
但有人說,法令規定提議人不得作二階連署人,
提議那麼多人幹嘛?會不會造成連署人不夠?
是的,提議人不能做連署人。
因此送件給中選會的提議人數應該剛剛好就好。
不要多不要少。因此,我們主張提議送3萬份。
比2萬2千8百多一些,做整數,
避免審核剔除後還要補件。
也有人說,現在提議連署超過3萬,
甚至達成30萬人是連署爽的?無效的?
錯!不會是連署爽的,也不會是無效的!
我們首先必須深刻認知,罷免的法律設計,
就是要讓你發現很困難,困難到在第一時間應該就放棄了。所以中華民國歷史上從來不曾
罷免市長,連一階提議都沒有。
#到底有多困難?
罷免二階修法前是30天內13%,現在是60天內10%。高雄市民要 #22萬8千人。
用 #公民投票 來比較:
公投二階連署只需要全國6個月內1.5%,大家就已經拚老命才達成。而罷免二階是高雄市
60天內10%。
以二階連署人總數來說,公投案全國只要連署28萬多人,全國喔!罷免市長,高雄市民就
要22.8萬人。
以人數比例換算來說,公投二階連署高雄市只要3.42萬(6個月),罷免二階要22.8萬(
60天)。
這表示什麼?
表示了罷免在法規制度上設計了一個陷阱,一階提議很容易,但二階連署要嘛簽不到22.8
萬,要嘛時間根本來不及。但是,一個二階過不了關的罷免案,即使一階快速達標又有何
意義?韓國瑜二十年前當立委就碰過罷免案,他深知當中關鍵之所在。
怎麼辦?二階陷阱如何破解?
60天22.8萬人如何達成?
問題的關鍵在時間太短,人數太高。
如果我們一如韓國瑜所希望的,大家就是依法等待,那鐵定二階失敗。
唯一方法的就是現在!
現在就把二階所需要的22.8萬人準備好。
現在就開始,到12/25我們有6個月,跟公投時間一樣。我們一口氣把提議連署衝到30萬人
,前面3萬人12/25送去選委會當法定提議人,後面27萬人,在二階開始,轉作二階連署人
,那我們就有機會成功。
有人舉手發問說,
法令不是說提議人不能作二階連署人嗎?
是的,一定依法行事。所以我們只送交3萬人,後面27萬人在二階開始前是名譽提議人,
是二階連署預備隊。在二階轉作法定連署人。
又有人舉手發問,我現在簽做提議人,
到時候如何轉作二階連署人?
是的,你現在簽做提議人,表示你支持罷免韓國瑜。二階開始,我們將聯絡你來,改簽選
委會法定連署書,作二階連署人,因此,必然依法也合法。雖然比較麻煩,但也只有如此
,才會60天內來得及有22.8萬人連署。
只有現在就匯集30萬支持罷免韓國瑜的市民朋友,
二階連署時我們才找得到22.8萬人。
如果怕麻煩,就不可能罷免成真,
只是喊爽的,韓國瑜只會更囂張。
但這麼小小麻煩,我們將寫歷史,
第一個市長罷免案會成案, #高雄將reset。
Wecare高雄 《 #罷韓30行動 》持續募集中
#連署書與收件點資訊 https://pse.is/GDTGY
#QA懶人包 https://pse.is/H9XV5
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1、罷免成功後,如何換新市長?
若罷免成功,三個月內會重新改選,除非任期過半才會由中央指派代理市長
2、We Care與公民割草行動要填哪邊?
兩邊聯合舉辦,罷免書格式統一,只要選擇一邊填即可
3、現在去連署,第二階段會白搭?
完全錯誤,現在就是要一鼓作氣衝到30萬份連署書,
其中3萬份拿去做第一階段的提案連署,剩下的轉做第二階段的罷免連署
等第一階段成案後,會通知你來簽第二階段的連署書
為什麼要這樣做?We Care粉絲團有很完整的解釋
https://pse.is/J4JHF
趁現在還有熱度的時候,就要一鼓作氣衝,
千萬不要說什麼等第二階段再填,那是有心人故意放的說詞
第二階段60天內就要收集23萬以上的連署書,現在不先累積名單根本做不到
4、罷免日聽說在平日?
這是謠言,一般投票日都不會在平日舉辦
上次黃國昌罷免案的投票日是2017年12月16日,就是星期六
Update:
有人說要滿500字,我就轉貼We Care為何要一次衝滿30萬份的原因好了
給真心希望罷免成功的你/妳:
不要怕麻煩,現在提議簽到30萬,不怕二階60天找沒人!
是的!沒錯!
雖然不是很嚴謹的計算,罷免一階2萬2千8百份提議書應該是差不多達標了。
#罷免程序分三階段進行:提議、連署、投票。提議是1%的人,坦白說,本來就很容易,
而且會很快速達成。
法令規定滿一年始得罷免,因此提議書要12月25日才能送進去。提議是基本的,選委會幾
乎百分百通過。然後60天內要連署10%,也就是22萬8千高雄市民連署,罷免案才會真的成
案,才能投票,高雄才有機會reset。
那麼,現在提議差不多3萬,距離12/25還有近六個月,我們能做什麼?
#我們的主張是持續提議連署到30萬人。
如果不這麼做,只想著等12/25送件就好,
我想這應該是韓國瑜最希望的事。
所以他會告訴你,現在什麼都不能做。
因為12/25送件審查,等走完行政作業,
已經超過元月11號總統大選。
韓國瑜「#吃碗內看碗外」,成功了!
但有人說,法令規定提議人不得作二階連署人,
提議那麼多人幹嘛?會不會造成連署人不夠?
是的,提議人不能做連署人。
因此送件給中選會的提議人數應該剛剛好就好。
不要多不要少。因此,我們主張提議送3萬份。
比2萬2千8百多一些,做整數,
避免審核剔除後還要補件。
也有人說,現在提議連署超過3萬,
甚至達成30萬人是連署爽的?無效的?
錯!不會是連署爽的,也不會是無效的!
我們首先必須深刻認知,罷免的法律設計,
就是要讓你發現很困難,困難到在第一時間應該就放棄了。所以中華民國歷史上從來不曾
罷免市長,連一階提議都沒有。
#到底有多困難?
罷免二階修法前是30天內13%,現在是60天內10%。高雄市民要 #22萬8千人。
用 #公民投票 來比較:
公投二階連署只需要全國6個月內1.5%,大家就已經拚老命才達成。而罷免二階是高雄市
60天內10%。
以二階連署人總數來說,公投案全國只要連署28萬多人,全國喔!罷免市長,高雄市民就
要22.8萬人。
以人數比例換算來說,公投二階連署高雄市只要3.42萬(6個月),罷免二階要22.8萬(
60天)。
這表示什麼?
表示了罷免在法規制度上設計了一個陷阱,一階提議很容易,但二階連署要嘛簽不到22.8
萬,要嘛時間根本來不及。但是,一個二階過不了關的罷免案,即使一階快速達標又有何
意義?韓國瑜二十年前當立委就碰過罷免案,他深知當中關鍵之所在。
怎麼辦?二階陷阱如何破解?
60天22.8萬人如何達成?
問題的關鍵在時間太短,人數太高。
如果我們一如韓國瑜所希望的,大家就是依法等待,那鐵定二階失敗。
唯一方法的就是現在!
現在就把二階所需要的22.8萬人準備好。
現在就開始,到12/25我們有6個月,跟公投時間一樣。我們一口氣把提議連署衝到30萬人
,前面3萬人12/25送去選委會當法定提議人,後面27萬人,在二階開始,轉作二階連署人
,那我們就有機會成功。
有人舉手發問說,
法令不是說提議人不能作二階連署人嗎?
是的,一定依法行事。所以我們只送交3萬人,後面27萬人在二階開始前是名譽提議人,
是二階連署預備隊。在二階轉作法定連署人。
又有人舉手發問,我現在簽做提議人,
到時候如何轉作二階連署人?
是的,你現在簽做提議人,表示你支持罷免韓國瑜。二階開始,我們將聯絡你來,改簽選
委會法定連署書,作二階連署人,因此,必然依法也合法。雖然比較麻煩,但也只有如此
,才會60天內來得及有22.8萬人連署。
只有現在就匯集30萬支持罷免韓國瑜的市民朋友,
二階連署時我們才找得到22.8萬人。
如果怕麻煩,就不可能罷免成真,
只是喊爽的,韓國瑜只會更囂張。
但這麼小小麻煩,我們將寫歷史,
第一個市長罷免案會成案, #高雄將reset。
Wecare高雄 《 #罷韓30行動 》持續募集中
#連署書與收件點資訊 https://pse.is/GDTGY
#QA懶人包 https://pse.is/H9XV5
--
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