違反正當方法之省錢應列入違反版規行為 - 省錢
By Hedda
at 2007-12-15T06:22
at 2007-12-15T06:22
Table of Contents
(並不指誰,請勿對號入座 <= 我都沒說是誰,又要推文自己承認不干我事哦)
不合理、不正當的省錢,甚至已經可以列入詐欺(犯罪行為)了哦
積極的詐欺 我說A 是 B (使人相信A就是B)
消極的詐欺 我沒說 A 是 B (但也不明講A不是B,令人以為A是B)
還在這裡公然散佈各種犯罪行為的手法,恐怕也有失當之處
即使不違反中華民國法律,也有違通常倫理與社會通識
能不能將版規加入排除非法、非正當省錢的條款,違反者
1.刪文 2.劣文(違反之情節重大) 3.水桶(累犯者永久水桶)
舉例:
違法的省錢-拿鐵製水溝蓋去資源回收賺錢
(水溝蓋是公有物,沒有廢棄的水溝蓋這種事,這是"盜",不是拿)
違反社會通識(不正當)的省錢-不買文具,向同學輪流借用一段時間再還
(雖不當然違法,但是濫用大眾善良好心,巧取用物之利,不值得推廣)
如認定不易,ptt有專業的法律顧問,可以請問他們哪些行為已經是不法
不正當的行為,通常人皆可判斷,如果有疑義,可請版衆表示意見
(其他版版主的做法會將可能會刪除的文章上S,確認該刪就刪)
個人認為不法、不義的文章只是鑽"版規沒訂"的漏洞,那把版規漏洞補起來即可
該刪文還是要刪,累犯者該浸永久水桶還是要浸
1.以正視聽,以免省錢版淪為教導大衆學習不法行為的惡版
(請不要想像所有使用者都一定有豐富的學識與經歷可以判斷
還是會有人沒有辦法充足判斷,ex:未成年人,畢竟這裡未分衆閱讀)
2.教唆犯罪者沒有被禁止,甚至還可以多發文,多賺p幣,此惡風不可長
另外,這樣可能會增加版主工作量,如果版主願意
也可以徵求多位副版主一起幫忙管理版面,辛苦版主了,謝謝
※ 編輯: EllaElla 來自: 218.160.183.136 (12/15 06:43)
推 jimshih:我推 203.70.52.169 12/15 08:00
推 jimshih:我推 203.70.52.169 12/15 08:03
推 jimshih:我推推推 203.70.52.169 12/15 08:05
推 vidaloca:推 140.118.207.64 12/15 09:08
→ rewohs:不合理與不正當是兩回事,不合理可能不道德 60.248.143.56 12/15 09:08
→ rewohs:不正當應該是違法,但道德上並沒有一定準則 60.248.143.56 12/15 09:09
謝謝指教,不過我的意思大概是那樣,看倌明白我要表達的意思就好
如果您想補充或是詳加說明也很歡迎 :)
我個人理解上,違法的前提是法有明文規定才構成違法
有一種情況是法規還沒有規範到,又不能直接說那是違法(違反哪個法呢?說不出來)
ex:子女有扶養父母義務,不能遺棄(《民法》有規定)
如果扶養父母的態度冷漠、方式消極,也不能說子女違法(並沒有《孝順父母法》)
也算是有盡了扶養最低標準,雖然並不一定心甘情願,沒給父母好臉色
充其量是子女為了履行義務的手段不正當(有人認定這是不合(倫)理、道德規範等等)
但還是不能說子女有違法,也因此沒有人因為不孝順父母被法律規定處罰
所以希望在版規中增加這些找不到明文規定的規範條款
這樣對「違反版規(構成違法)」情況,就有禁止、處罰的明文規定了
推 qqfishyaya:推推推推! 59.115.128.157 12/15 09:39
※ 編輯: EllaElla 來自: 218.160.183.136 (12/15 10:18)
推 cabessa:推推推~! 不要讓省錢板淪為惡版! 122.126.41.220 12/15 10:55
推 MMY:推!不要讓省錢板成為缺德版 219.70.254.4 12/15 11:15
推 cyjean:也是要有道德良心的阿~~ 推~ 118.232.213.3 12/15 11:52
推 huanson:推*100!220.139.236.157 12/15 12:06
→ wolverine:推!!!!就是沒人敢進來反駁...哈~ 59.105.128.222 12/15 12:09
推 RAVANA:推!! 違法的事情確實不應出現 203.70.197.180 12/15 12:33
推 sabbat:推 違法跟 不 正 當 都不應該被拿來推廣 59.104.156.250 12/15 12:39
推 inin67:推!不要讓省錢板成為缺德版 124.8.239.251 12/15 12:50
推 newevian:我也推 61.228.242.245 12/15 13:05
推 mie872114:推!省錢可不能省道德啊!! 61.217.30.227 12/15 13:08
推 bluearrow:推~~~ 192.192.88.28 12/15 13:49
推 phizer:推Ella大.希望"缺德,違反公序良俗"也犯版規 220.132.4.169 12/15 14:06
→ phizer:只爽到不要臉的人.卻侵害到多數人的權益 220.132.4.169 12/15 14:07
推 whobirdme912:推 每次看到文章心裡想 教壞小孩= = 60.249.7.196 12/15 14:50
推 wolverine:我似乎看到作賊喊抓賊..... 59.105.128.222 12/15 15:00
推 sabbat:是縱火者若無其事回到現場吧XD 59.104.156.250 12/15 15:03
推 abian:樓樓上 XDDD 59.121.142.222 12/15 15:09
推 cccmailncyu: XD 61.67.70.50 12/15 15:17
推 chickenbo:XD140.116.141.246 12/15 16:38
推 sunbread:推~覺得最近的文章越來越不符合此板的宗 59.117.215.68 12/15 17:09
→ sunbread:旨了! 59.117.215.68 12/15 17:10
推 icemaker3388:推 218.32.112.32 12/15 17:15
推 baby7188:不推對不起自己 XD220.133.115.165 12/15 17:36
推 icewowo:推!省錢可不能省道德啊! 61.20.129.14 12/15 17:37
推 likecandy:違反道德某些情形下是有可能違法的 59.121.129.7 12/15 17:41
推 qsasha:我覺得"違反社會觀感"就列水桶了,君子愛財 220.134.2.117 12/15 19:22
→ qsasha:娶之有道,省錢也要有品! 220.134.2.117 12/15 19:23
→ rewohs:違反社會觀感-->很主觀,且於法無據202.132.193.117 12/15 19:49
→ rewohs:不是很多人說不好 就代表不好202.132.193.117 12/15 19:50
推 littlekoala:讚成~ 不太喜歡最近的省錢板~ 59.115.73.144 12/15 20:03
推 qsasha:是沒錯啦,只是...好多空間都浪費在辯論.. 220.134.2.117 12/15 21:47
→ qsasha:我只想要單純的看省錢的好方法~~~ 220.134.2.117 12/15 21:48
推 ringfan:大家應該都想要單純看省錢的"好"方法... 61.57.151.62 12/15 23:30
→ ringfan:為省錢不顧道德還上來po文教人的簡直無恥 61.57.151.62 12/15 23:33
推 garmisch:推!省錢不能省道德啊!現在進版都怕地雷218.160.121.241 12/16 00:09
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