車站遷移陳情、回覆及後續 - 樹林

By Hamiltion
at 2015-04-03T22:25
at 2015-04-03T22:25
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前文恕刪:
報載新站是在中正路和大安路交叉口,成本300億。
http://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20131221000406-260107
現在資訊很開放,把圖片剪剪貼貼就弄出一張小圖。
http://i.imgur.com/gUaCtiD.jpg?1
這張圖上的紅點就是樹林各里的人數
點的位置就是用里名去google後所點下,
如果位置跳很遠才會改用活動中心或是里辦公室。
其中紅圓半徑500公尺,藍圓半徑750公尺。
大概就是走路750公尺,上班族超過可能就搭公車了。
商業活動區域500公尺,這個區域內的商家會受到火車站加持。
所以可以看到當車站移走後,大概就是現有商圈加持會消失,
個消失會是多少可以再討論。
然後藍色區域區域重疊的上班族,其實沒有很大的差別,
主要步行距離差不多。
切成兩個層面來看,上班通勤和商業活動來討論。
舊站影響
上班族:
影響,原本搭公車的上班族,只需要多搭五分鐘的車就可以到新設車站。
原本步行的上班族,以交叉的數量來看,估個7成要改成坐公車。
商圈:
現在實價登錄房價約40萬
少了車站加持,每日約少16698(6011470/360)人次的進站量
新站影響
上班族:
某方面來說,藍圈以內的都可以步行上班了,省了五分鐘的車程。
原本搭公車的人也省了五分鐘的車程。
實價登錄
現在約30萬
多了車站加持,每日約多16698人次的進站量。
如果依照是大安路和中正路的位置來看,說真的能吸引到新通勤族會較為有限,
五分鐘的車程,有迫卻需要的民眾應該還是會苦命的前往車站,
當然如果最後車站的位置,更往西北過去,確實有可能吸引到新的一批人口,
不過如果依現有位置來說,五分鐘的車程,對通勤的上班族影響較小。
只是現在樹林人口分佈是以車站中心放射出去,
受不便影響的人應該是多數。
如果沒有太大的變化,那應該是舊站這邊下修一些,
新站這邊變成過去舊站水準然後在上調一些,
這是民眾財富的重分配。
報載成本應該要打個7折,那就用210億來看這個問題,
政府花了210億蓋了一個新的車站,效益其實很不明顯,
除了被徵收的用地確定會賺以外,基本上有10年的發展空窗,
另外,車站現址也會減緩或是停止開發。
如果有人要以新板特區為樣本,用google查了一下
板橋區人口是55萬7千,面積23.42平方公里,每平方公里大概兩萬人
樹林區人口是18萬4千,面積33.12平方公里,每平方公里大概5千5百人。
當然這邊沒有把地形算進來,只是想表達光是人口密度的狀況,
要和板橋區一樣,有其難度。
其實我個人不反對遷站,只是我對於遷站後的效益這一段,
我個人認為需要有詳細的規畫資料與評估方式,
如果未來的發展是將該區域徵收後"發展"。
而所為的發展,到底是甚麼,不要像台北市一樣,
轉運站蓋成百貨公司,巨蛋蓋成百貨公司,文創園區蓋成百貨公司,
對樹林來說,對面住的是一個超大的板橋磁鐵。
如果是徵收後蓋住宅,那為甚麼要為了5分鐘的車程,
花210億重蓋一個車站,直接用公車轉運也是一個方法。
至於軟體園區,其實也是一樣的概念為了五分鐘,
為甚麼要蓋一個新的車站。
車站搬走,房價下跌其實只是補漲到新的區域,
樹林房價在新北算低的,即使房假補漲,
把房子賣掉,在新北還是很難找到適合住的地方。
因此,我個人比較好奇。
第一,新站搬遷的效益在哪邊?有沒有"具體"的評估,不然210億花下去,
樹林除了老百姓財富和時間重分配外,到底效益在哪?
第二,為甚麼喊地下化,最後是把車站搬走,這中間到底是怎麼回事,
這應該也是市政府該說清楚的地方。
第三,台鐵對於這個案子的態度到底是甚麼,有沒有做過營運相關的評估,
還是台鐵其實不用出錢,那就真的沒差了。
最後,車站如果搬走,樹林未來應該會成為南北樹林,
北就是新站,南應該就是調度站,現在核心的區域應該就停止發展,
不過至少還有十年可以做生意,十年真的有段時間。
至於捷運可能要等新站蓋好,再看看好了。
--
報載新站是在中正路和大安路交叉口,成本300億。
http://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20131221000406-260107
現在資訊很開放,把圖片剪剪貼貼就弄出一張小圖。
http://i.imgur.com/gUaCtiD.jpg?1
這張圖上的紅點就是樹林各里的人數
點的位置就是用里名去google後所點下,
如果位置跳很遠才會改用活動中心或是里辦公室。
其中紅圓半徑500公尺,藍圓半徑750公尺。
大概就是走路750公尺,上班族超過可能就搭公車了。
商業活動區域500公尺,這個區域內的商家會受到火車站加持。
所以可以看到當車站移走後,大概就是現有商圈加持會消失,
個消失會是多少可以再討論。
然後藍色區域區域重疊的上班族,其實沒有很大的差別,
主要步行距離差不多。
切成兩個層面來看,上班通勤和商業活動來討論。
舊站影響
上班族:
影響,原本搭公車的上班族,只需要多搭五分鐘的車就可以到新設車站。
原本步行的上班族,以交叉的數量來看,估個7成要改成坐公車。
商圈:
現在實價登錄房價約40萬
少了車站加持,每日約少16698(6011470/360)人次的進站量
新站影響
上班族:
某方面來說,藍圈以內的都可以步行上班了,省了五分鐘的車程。
原本搭公車的人也省了五分鐘的車程。
實價登錄
現在約30萬
多了車站加持,每日約多16698人次的進站量。
如果依照是大安路和中正路的位置來看,說真的能吸引到新通勤族會較為有限,
五分鐘的車程,有迫卻需要的民眾應該還是會苦命的前往車站,
當然如果最後車站的位置,更往西北過去,確實有可能吸引到新的一批人口,
不過如果依現有位置來說,五分鐘的車程,對通勤的上班族影響較小。
只是現在樹林人口分佈是以車站中心放射出去,
受不便影響的人應該是多數。
如果沒有太大的變化,那應該是舊站這邊下修一些,
新站這邊變成過去舊站水準然後在上調一些,
這是民眾財富的重分配。
報載成本應該要打個7折,那就用210億來看這個問題,
政府花了210億蓋了一個新的車站,效益其實很不明顯,
除了被徵收的用地確定會賺以外,基本上有10年的發展空窗,
另外,車站現址也會減緩或是停止開發。
如果有人要以新板特區為樣本,用google查了一下
板橋區人口是55萬7千,面積23.42平方公里,每平方公里大概兩萬人
樹林區人口是18萬4千,面積33.12平方公里,每平方公里大概5千5百人。
當然這邊沒有把地形算進來,只是想表達光是人口密度的狀況,
要和板橋區一樣,有其難度。
其實我個人不反對遷站,只是我對於遷站後的效益這一段,
我個人認為需要有詳細的規畫資料與評估方式,
如果未來的發展是將該區域徵收後"發展"。
而所為的發展,到底是甚麼,不要像台北市一樣,
轉運站蓋成百貨公司,巨蛋蓋成百貨公司,文創園區蓋成百貨公司,
對樹林來說,對面住的是一個超大的板橋磁鐵。
如果是徵收後蓋住宅,那為甚麼要為了5分鐘的車程,
花210億重蓋一個車站,直接用公車轉運也是一個方法。
至於軟體園區,其實也是一樣的概念為了五分鐘,
為甚麼要蓋一個新的車站。
車站搬走,房價下跌其實只是補漲到新的區域,
樹林房價在新北算低的,即使房假補漲,
把房子賣掉,在新北還是很難找到適合住的地方。
因此,我個人比較好奇。
第一,新站搬遷的效益在哪邊?有沒有"具體"的評估,不然210億花下去,
樹林除了老百姓財富和時間重分配外,到底效益在哪?
第二,為甚麼喊地下化,最後是把車站搬走,這中間到底是怎麼回事,
這應該也是市政府該說清楚的地方。
第三,台鐵對於這個案子的態度到底是甚麼,有沒有做過營運相關的評估,
還是台鐵其實不用出錢,那就真的沒差了。
最後,車站如果搬走,樹林未來應該會成為南北樹林,
北就是新站,南應該就是調度站,現在核心的區域應該就停止發展,
不過至少還有十年可以做生意,十年真的有段時間。
至於捷運可能要等新站蓋好,再看看好了。
--
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