路口大富翁(高雄版) - 高雄
By Frederica
at 2020-12-19T01:40
at 2020-12-19T01:40
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高雄版首PO,平常都只是當個在下面留言的,如果有違規還請告知
原文恕刪
基本上原本那一篇下面我有推文回應,但我還是拉出來另外開一篇文章好了
先不論待轉區是否為待撞區,這塊名為待轉區的白色區域我認為就是一個不符合道路交通
設計的矛盾地帶。
一、節錄自道路交通標誌標線號誌設置規則第170條:
"停止線,用以指示行駛車輛停止之界限,車輛停止時,其前懸部分不得伸越該線"
也就是說這條線以前是不能停車子的,卻有一個區域是法律允許你停在那邊
本來紅燈之後路口理論應該是要淨空給橫向車輛行進,卻多了一個地方停滿了機車
而且也不時看到有些騎士貪圖起步,偷偷滑進待轉區的畫面
因為那邊是"合法"的停止區域
二、如果遇上車流過多,導致待轉區不堪負荷流量,多出來的機車該停到哪裡?
因為停超出待轉區的部分都是屬於"違規"行為,所以如果"合法"的話要停到哪裡?
是停在原車道的停止線後面?還是停到待轉區後方,停止線後的機車等待區?
原車道在第三點還會再提,如果要到等待區,可能有以下狀況:
1.穿越路口雙黃線,但通常會有汽車停著等紅燈
2.如果等待區滿了,變成要停到等待區後方,但後方又有汽車停著
3.不穿越雙黃線,繞到後面可以迴轉的區域再轉,但內線禁止機車
不管哪個選項都帶有違規的成分,所以被開單沒有任何怨言
三、推文裡有版友提到的機車左轉道,就像中正一路東行左轉大順路口就有
(圖最右邊藍色車道:https://i.imgur.com/TQlP2lx.png)
老實說這個是個不錯的折衷辦法,既不取消內線禁行機車,又不會有奇怪的待轉區
同時也解決了萬一車流量過大沒地方停的問題。
但高雄機慢車道幾乎都是混合了大車和機車的設計,有分隔島的路不太可能再割一
個機車左轉車道出來待轉
(隨邊抓一個中華大同路口:https://i.imgur.com/bZPLN6E.png)
有沒有空間?可能會有,但更可能的是擋到後面車子的前進/右轉
這個也會造成大小車流交錯的問題
四、機車騎進去待轉區時大多是需要騎在斑馬線上才進得去,可是騎在斑馬線上是違規的
(感謝sd929598的補充)
個人同樣也覺得用待轉大富翁的方式真的很擾民,但是也帶出一個待轉區使用的bug:
沒有人規定不能利用待轉區繞圈圈,因為他們都是"合法"的進行兩段式左轉
對,沒有人會一直(三次以上的)左轉在路口繞圈圈,因為汽車左轉後是進到車道裡,但待
轉區提供了一個在進車道前可以改變行進方向的選擇,才會出現這種可以loop的詭異狀態
所以我個人認為,取消待轉區這件事情就可以除去這個道路bug
而且搭配取消內線禁行機車之後,讓左轉車靠左,右轉車靠右,減少汽機車車流的交錯
如果不連帶取消內線禁行機車,看是要完全車種分流,透過號誌來轉彎
或者改變路口的設計(我記得之前在FB有看到國外一種類似機車圓環的概念)
安不安全還可以再討論,畢竟汽機車駕駛人的觀念又是另外一個議題了
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原文恕刪
基本上原本那一篇下面我有推文回應,但我還是拉出來另外開一篇文章好了
先不論待轉區是否為待撞區,這塊名為待轉區的白色區域我認為就是一個不符合道路交通
設計的矛盾地帶。
一、節錄自道路交通標誌標線號誌設置規則第170條:
"停止線,用以指示行駛車輛停止之界限,車輛停止時,其前懸部分不得伸越該線"
也就是說這條線以前是不能停車子的,卻有一個區域是法律允許你停在那邊
本來紅燈之後路口理論應該是要淨空給橫向車輛行進,卻多了一個地方停滿了機車
而且也不時看到有些騎士貪圖起步,偷偷滑進待轉區的畫面
因為那邊是"合法"的停止區域
二、如果遇上車流過多,導致待轉區不堪負荷流量,多出來的機車該停到哪裡?
因為停超出待轉區的部分都是屬於"違規"行為,所以如果"合法"的話要停到哪裡?
是停在原車道的停止線後面?還是停到待轉區後方,停止線後的機車等待區?
原車道在第三點還會再提,如果要到等待區,可能有以下狀況:
1.穿越路口雙黃線,但通常會有汽車停著等紅燈
2.如果等待區滿了,變成要停到等待區後方,但後方又有汽車停著
3.不穿越雙黃線,繞到後面可以迴轉的區域再轉,但內線禁止機車
不管哪個選項都帶有違規的成分,所以被開單沒有任何怨言
三、推文裡有版友提到的機車左轉道,就像中正一路東行左轉大順路口就有
(圖最右邊藍色車道:https://i.imgur.com/TQlP2lx.png)
老實說這個是個不錯的折衷辦法,既不取消內線禁行機車,又不會有奇怪的待轉區
同時也解決了萬一車流量過大沒地方停的問題。
但高雄機慢車道幾乎都是混合了大車和機車的設計,有分隔島的路不太可能再割一
個機車左轉車道出來待轉
(隨邊抓一個中華大同路口:https://i.imgur.com/bZPLN6E.png)
有沒有空間?可能會有,但更可能的是擋到後面車子的前進/右轉
這個也會造成大小車流交錯的問題
四、機車騎進去待轉區時大多是需要騎在斑馬線上才進得去,可是騎在斑馬線上是違規的
(感謝sd929598的補充)
個人同樣也覺得用待轉大富翁的方式真的很擾民,但是也帶出一個待轉區使用的bug:
沒有人規定不能利用待轉區繞圈圈,因為他們都是"合法"的進行兩段式左轉
對,沒有人會一直(三次以上的)左轉在路口繞圈圈,因為汽車左轉後是進到車道裡,但待
轉區提供了一個在進車道前可以改變行進方向的選擇,才會出現這種可以loop的詭異狀態
所以我個人認為,取消待轉區這件事情就可以除去這個道路bug
而且搭配取消內線禁行機車之後,讓左轉車靠左,右轉車靠右,減少汽機車車流的交錯
如果不連帶取消內線禁行機車,看是要完全車種分流,透過號誌來轉彎
或者改變路口的設計(我記得之前在FB有看到國外一種類似機車圓環的概念)
安不安全還可以再討論,畢竟汽機車駕駛人的觀念又是另外一個議題了
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