請問這幾個高雄社團和粉絲專頁 - 高雄
By Ina
at 2018-06-12T01:58
at 2018-06-12T01:58
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(原文恕刪)
各位高雄版的鄉民大家好,
我是高雄好過日「協會」的理事長陳信諭,
我也是代表基進黨前鎮小港的市議員參選人
因為上面有位鄉民 TRIMGAL兄 提到,
參加好過日的活動還可以領2000元
同時也提到我參選的身分,應該是暗示這是否有賄選的嫌疑吧?
所以,小弟我特別來澄清一下。
首先,這場活動是大林蒲(沿海六里)的願景工作坊,
是針對遷村的議題舉辦的活動。
我們高雄好過日協會,大約2016年初開始去大林蒲蹲點
當時我在醫院工作,
我用我自己在醫院工作的薪水聘用了一位協會的全職工作者,
也是現在代表基進黨參選 旗津 鼓山 鹽埕的洪正
在大林蒲蹲點 (完全符合勞基法,請各位放心),
另外一位鳳山參選人 李雨蓁
則是投入志工,用設計專業來幫助我們
自己也每個禮拜花時間讀議題看資料跑社區
所以認識很多在地的青年和關心公共事務的在地朋友
很多在地朋友也非常的支持我們
為了辦這個願景工作坊的活動,
我們(包含在地青年)大約籌備了將近6個月的時間
為什麼要這個願景工作坊要辦這麼久?
沒錯,就是非常困難。
願景工作坊是丹麥發展的一種「審議民主」的模式
是一種「直接民主」的方式,
公投也是直接民主、審議民主也是。
同類型的還有 公民會議阿,最近很夯的參與式預算等等
簡單來說,
願景工作坊就是希望「不同立場和背景」的居民,
在會議中討論彼此對議題的願景、凝聚共識,
進而攜手向願景同行。
這樣講還是很抽象,但有辦過審議民主的朋友,
應該都知道真正嚴格的審議民主是很困難的。
願景工作坊大約20-30人參加,
要整整參加兩天共16小時(就已經是門檻了)
但20-30人參與的會議,如何能夠代表社區幾千人、幾萬人
(大林蒲戶口約近20000人)?
就是靠嚴謹的抽樣。
這預設一個前提,夠嚴謹的抽樣,就能夠代表母群體的意思。
那嚴謹的抽樣就要去設計,以符合當地的社會組成結構。
另外,審議當天的工具、技巧,大會(議題)手冊的設計
參與機制的設計,這些都要符合公平公正公開的原則。
更不要說,大林蒲偏向傳統社區,
涉及複雜的政治阿人情阿等等的關係
真的非常困難。
回到在地,能在當地辦理願景工作坊
我們是取得一部份在地人的信任,才有辦法完成
另外,
設計參與費,這是諮詢過中山大學的審議專家學者
(本來在一開始的計畫申請時,是沒有這樣的設計)
主要是為避免兩天高強度的審議
變成有錢有閒的人才有辦法參與、有辦法發聲
先天上就把經濟弱勢的族群排擠掉
沒錢的人連周末都要賺錢,沒空參與
所以才在機制上設計2000元的參與費。
為什麼我想要做這個願景工作坊?
其實做這活動真的是吃力不討好
但是這就是台灣民主深化的一個新的嘗試
把國外先進的社會理論
轉化成台灣實踐的經驗
不就是台灣所盼望的新的政治嗎?
我相信,花了工作小時將近200-300小時籌備
自掏腰包投入社區工作
換得 25人領取 2000元,就算化成選票,
25張票可能只能選班長
而且這活動的「每一個」宣傳品上,都完全沒有我的名字
這樣的效應,我想還不如公園發便當吧發米吧。
50000元,好歹也可以發個600個便當。
況且這些時間,我也可以拿來站路口、掃街、掃菜市場
但是我還是咬著牙(縱使非常困難)都要完成
是因為我認為真的做事(實踐)很重要
而且,不是盲目的實踐,
我們是帶著我們對社會、對議題的分析,才走入實踐
我認為這才是未來台灣政治應該要走的方向。
TRIMGAL兄、眾位高雄版鄉民
若對高雄好過日有興趣,
有機會我們可以見面聊聊
我相信你能理解我們對改革社會的熱情的!
ps1. 高雄好過日目前已法人化,是社團法人
ps2.
籌組好過日,
本來就是我們帶著基進黨所給我們的理想和願景
在地方實踐的產物,
高雄好過日目前累積的文章數,已經達到上百篇,
我們關心的議題,
橫跨了區域交通、經濟產業、勞動社福、觀光文化、生態汙染
這都是我們對於高雄市政的想法和研議。
我相信,
台灣/高雄也沒有一個政黨能做到這件事情,
好過日的文章,也沒有任何偷渡「我要選舉趕快投我」的傾向
每篇都幾乎是紮紮實實的進行議題的探討
我認為大可針對好過日提出的觀點進行討論,
我們都尊重各位的同意或不同意,
這就是民主社會了。
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各位高雄版的鄉民大家好,
我是高雄好過日「協會」的理事長陳信諭,
我也是代表基進黨前鎮小港的市議員參選人
因為上面有位鄉民 TRIMGAL兄 提到,
參加好過日的活動還可以領2000元
同時也提到我參選的身分,應該是暗示這是否有賄選的嫌疑吧?
所以,小弟我特別來澄清一下。
首先,這場活動是大林蒲(沿海六里)的願景工作坊,
是針對遷村的議題舉辦的活動。
我們高雄好過日協會,大約2016年初開始去大林蒲蹲點
當時我在醫院工作,
我用我自己在醫院工作的薪水聘用了一位協會的全職工作者,
也是現在代表基進黨參選 旗津 鼓山 鹽埕的洪正
在大林蒲蹲點 (完全符合勞基法,請各位放心),
另外一位鳳山參選人 李雨蓁
則是投入志工,用設計專業來幫助我們
自己也每個禮拜花時間讀議題看資料跑社區
所以認識很多在地的青年和關心公共事務的在地朋友
很多在地朋友也非常的支持我們
為了辦這個願景工作坊的活動,
我們(包含在地青年)大約籌備了將近6個月的時間
為什麼要這個願景工作坊要辦這麼久?
沒錯,就是非常困難。
願景工作坊是丹麥發展的一種「審議民主」的模式
是一種「直接民主」的方式,
公投也是直接民主、審議民主也是。
同類型的還有 公民會議阿,最近很夯的參與式預算等等
簡單來說,
願景工作坊就是希望「不同立場和背景」的居民,
在會議中討論彼此對議題的願景、凝聚共識,
進而攜手向願景同行。
這樣講還是很抽象,但有辦過審議民主的朋友,
應該都知道真正嚴格的審議民主是很困難的。
願景工作坊大約20-30人參加,
要整整參加兩天共16小時(就已經是門檻了)
但20-30人參與的會議,如何能夠代表社區幾千人、幾萬人
(大林蒲戶口約近20000人)?
就是靠嚴謹的抽樣。
這預設一個前提,夠嚴謹的抽樣,就能夠代表母群體的意思。
那嚴謹的抽樣就要去設計,以符合當地的社會組成結構。
另外,審議當天的工具、技巧,大會(議題)手冊的設計
參與機制的設計,這些都要符合公平公正公開的原則。
更不要說,大林蒲偏向傳統社區,
涉及複雜的政治阿人情阿等等的關係
真的非常困難。
回到在地,能在當地辦理願景工作坊
我們是取得一部份在地人的信任,才有辦法完成
另外,
設計參與費,這是諮詢過中山大學的審議專家學者
(本來在一開始的計畫申請時,是沒有這樣的設計)
主要是為避免兩天高強度的審議
變成有錢有閒的人才有辦法參與、有辦法發聲
先天上就把經濟弱勢的族群排擠掉
沒錢的人連周末都要賺錢,沒空參與
所以才在機制上設計2000元的參與費。
為什麼我想要做這個願景工作坊?
其實做這活動真的是吃力不討好
但是這就是台灣民主深化的一個新的嘗試
把國外先進的社會理論
轉化成台灣實踐的經驗
不就是台灣所盼望的新的政治嗎?
我相信,花了工作小時將近200-300小時籌備
自掏腰包投入社區工作
換得 25人領取 2000元,就算化成選票,
25張票可能只能選班長
而且這活動的「每一個」宣傳品上,都完全沒有我的名字
這樣的效應,我想還不如公園發便當吧發米吧。
50000元,好歹也可以發個600個便當。
況且這些時間,我也可以拿來站路口、掃街、掃菜市場
但是我還是咬著牙(縱使非常困難)都要完成
是因為我認為真的做事(實踐)很重要
而且,不是盲目的實踐,
我們是帶著我們對社會、對議題的分析,才走入實踐
我認為這才是未來台灣政治應該要走的方向。
TRIMGAL兄、眾位高雄版鄉民
若對高雄好過日有興趣,
有機會我們可以見面聊聊
我相信你能理解我們對改革社會的熱情的!
ps1. 高雄好過日目前已法人化,是社團法人
ps2.
籌組好過日,
本來就是我們帶著基進黨所給我們的理想和願景
在地方實踐的產物,
高雄好過日目前累積的文章數,已經達到上百篇,
我們關心的議題,
橫跨了區域交通、經濟產業、勞動社福、觀光文化、生態汙染
這都是我們對於高雄市政的想法和研議。
我相信,
台灣/高雄也沒有一個政黨能做到這件事情,
好過日的文章,也沒有任何偷渡「我要選舉趕快投我」的傾向
每篇都幾乎是紮紮實實的進行議題的探討
我認為大可針對好過日提出的觀點進行討論,
我們都尊重各位的同意或不同意,
這就是民主社會了。
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