新莊線通車 樂生青年再戰 - 新莊
By Barb Cronin
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雖然我曾經在推文說過不再回應你,但不代表我可以接受你不斷在我身上扣帽子
最後再來一句指名道姓,你要講我就來跟你講清楚
首先,我們來講你最愛的情感面
1. 台灣法律依土地徵收條例第三條規定,舉辦下列各款事業,得徵收私有土地︰
(一)國防設備(二)交通事業(三)公用事業(四)水利事業
(五)公共衛生及環境保護事業(六)政府機關、地方自治機關及其他公共建築
(七)教育、學術及文化事業(八)社會福利事業(九)國營事業
(十)其他依法得徵收土地之事業。
更不用說,今天樂生所在地是公有。
萬一今天捷運是徵收我家的地,我也只能鼻子摸摸跟政府談好價錢,而不是死賴著不走
是怎樣,想當丁子戶喔?
每個人都這樣,台灣還要蓋公共建設嗎?
還不甘心的話,我附上內政部的網站給你,你自己點進去看清楚
還可以連到裡面的信箱去跟政府講人權跟居住情感
http://www.land.moi.gov.tw/chhtml/landfaq.asp?lcid=10&cid=68
這些我在推文就講過了,你一下說
後面又在那邊跳針情感是怎樣?
2.什麼走山地質鬆動土石流的
下面這段是新聞裡面什麼建築與城鄉所的大學生講的
「現在的樂生院就像是99年北二高走山前夕,地錨已經失去作用,隨時有可能走山。」台
灣大學建築與城鄉所學生何欣潔,每隔幾天便會到樂生療養院量測牆壁上的裂縫,她說,
若1週內拉動超過3公分,就有可能發生慘劇。
捷運新莊機廠佔去了樂生療養院大片土地,僅存的幾棟建築緊鄰在幾近垂直的擋土牆上。
樂生青年希望立刻以土方回填,避免走山危機發生,對於捷運局日前提出的「明挖覆蓋」
方式充滿不信任感。
下面這個連結是捷運工程局根據大地技師公會的報告提出來的公告
http://www.cdpo.dorts.gov.tw/ct.asp?xItem=11648020&ctNode=12754&mp=115051
我用簡短的白話文說明
A. 當初行政院責成公共工程委員會對於新莊機場跟樂生的保留提出方案之後,樂青也提
出很多他們的保存方案。
但是相比前者提出的,樂青提的其斷層帶範圍更大,邊坡坡度更陡,捷運局多次強調
新莊機廠基地存在斷層帶及受壓水層之地質特性,任何保存方案皆應該保守面對,
卻遭指責為技術杯葛。
最後政策仍決定大幅保存樂生舊院區。
B. 當初在捷運局的堅持下,保存方案始納入將保留區劃分為續住區與非續住區,
施工期間應避免於非續住區居住
但是在代表自救會之專家要求下,續住區範圍再被大幅擴大,
加以樂生療養院院方未能搬遷全部非續住區之院民,
以致目前續住區範圍從捷運局原始評估之6棟建物範圍大幅擴大為18棟範圍,
捷運局強調,目前之裂縫範圍均未超出捷運局原始評估之範圍。
也就是說,當初規劃可以續住跟不可以續住的地方
結果樂生的專家堅持擴大續住的地方
結果現在那些地方出現裂縫了,這些裂縫原本就是被預估會出現的
而且並沒有比預期出現的還要大
之後的我就懶得畫重點了,你自己點進去看
台大研究所的一位學生 VS 大地技師公會
都幾?
我是不知道你選那邊啦,不過我選右邊。
就問你一句就好,樂生真的這麼危險的話
最想搬出去的人不是樂生居民嗎?
所以樂青是罔顧這些老人家的安全,在跟政府爭執所謂的正義囉?
最後,我可以接受你跟我的論點不一樣,所以我在第一次說不回應的時候,
看你的推文還蠻有討論的味道,我才繼續的
結果哪知道你後來又跳回去,跳來跳去,不累嗎?
再說一遍,我不回應不代表我接受你可以指著我的鼻子不斷的扣帽子
如果你不是誠心的來討論就請你出去!現在!
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最後再來一句指名道姓,你要講我就來跟你講清楚
→ yaerse:想也知道..山沒動過最好..這點專業技師也一定這樣認同.. 01/04 00:09
→ yaerse:所以你對你住的地方沒情感嗎??你對新莊沒情感嗎?? 01/04 00:10
→ yaerse:他們又不是機器.要他們強制搬遷.難道不用在意他們的情感嗎?01/04 00:11
→ yaerse:難道有錢可以買房的才有資格談情感.沒錢買房住公有的就沒格01/04 00:11
→ yaerse:然後覺得相信技師講的話就夠了..問題是一開始的規劃就有誤 01/04 00:13
→ yaerse:若設至點不在那兒.那這鳥事不就都沒了.樂生沒事.山也沒事.. 01/04 00:13
→ yaerse:怎樣最安全..不論專業或不專業來看..這樣都最安全..01/04 00:14
→ yaerse:自己才一整個鬼打牆一樣.搞不清楚我在講什麼.堅持自己論點01/04 00:14
→ yaerse:下次請先搞清楚別人在講啥再來討論好嗎?? 01/04 00:15
→ yaerse:什麼情感不重要.請搞清楚你面對的是人..是有人權的問題.. 01/04 00:16
→ yaerse:還是你希望你像大陸政府一樣對帶大陸人..叫他們搬就得搬?? 01/04 00:17
→ yaerse:若你說你家被拆或被強制搬離也無所謂.只要政府有安排住的01/04 00:17
→ yaerse:那你就能接受..那我就沒話講..因為對你這樣的人講這些.多餘01/04 00:18
→ yaerse:以上僅針對krista520... 01/04 00:22
首先,我們來講你最愛的情感面
1. 台灣法律依土地徵收條例第三條規定,舉辦下列各款事業,得徵收私有土地︰
(一)國防設備(二)交通事業(三)公用事業(四)水利事業
(五)公共衛生及環境保護事業(六)政府機關、地方自治機關及其他公共建築
(七)教育、學術及文化事業(八)社會福利事業(九)國營事業
(十)其他依法得徵收土地之事業。
更不用說,今天樂生所在地是公有。
萬一今天捷運是徵收我家的地,我也只能鼻子摸摸跟政府談好價錢,而不是死賴著不走
是怎樣,想當丁子戶喔?
每個人都這樣,台灣還要蓋公共建設嗎?
還不甘心的話,我附上內政部的網站給你,你自己點進去看清楚
還可以連到裡面的信箱去跟政府講人權跟居住情感
http://www.land.moi.gov.tw/chhtml/landfaq.asp?lcid=10&cid=68
這些我在推文就講過了,你一下說
→ yaerse:那這樣說好了..以一個地方的經濟及發展..我贊成你所講的..01/03 23:56
後面又在那邊跳針情感是怎樣?
2.什麼走山地質鬆動土石流的
下面這段是新聞裡面什麼建築與城鄉所的大學生講的
「現在的樂生院就像是99年北二高走山前夕,地錨已經失去作用,隨時有可能走山。」台
灣大學建築與城鄉所學生何欣潔,每隔幾天便會到樂生療養院量測牆壁上的裂縫,她說,
若1週內拉動超過3公分,就有可能發生慘劇。
捷運新莊機廠佔去了樂生療養院大片土地,僅存的幾棟建築緊鄰在幾近垂直的擋土牆上。
樂生青年希望立刻以土方回填,避免走山危機發生,對於捷運局日前提出的「明挖覆蓋」
方式充滿不信任感。
下面這個連結是捷運工程局根據大地技師公會的報告提出來的公告
http://www.cdpo.dorts.gov.tw/ct.asp?xItem=11648020&ctNode=12754&mp=115051
我用簡短的白話文說明
A. 當初行政院責成公共工程委員會對於新莊機場跟樂生的保留提出方案之後,樂青也提
出很多他們的保存方案。
但是相比前者提出的,樂青提的其斷層帶範圍更大,邊坡坡度更陡,捷運局多次強調
新莊機廠基地存在斷層帶及受壓水層之地質特性,任何保存方案皆應該保守面對,
卻遭指責為技術杯葛。
最後政策仍決定大幅保存樂生舊院區。
B. 當初在捷運局的堅持下,保存方案始納入將保留區劃分為續住區與非續住區,
施工期間應避免於非續住區居住
但是在代表自救會之專家要求下,續住區範圍再被大幅擴大,
加以樂生療養院院方未能搬遷全部非續住區之院民,
以致目前續住區範圍從捷運局原始評估之6棟建物範圍大幅擴大為18棟範圍,
捷運局強調,目前之裂縫範圍均未超出捷運局原始評估之範圍。
也就是說,當初規劃可以續住跟不可以續住的地方
結果樂生的專家堅持擴大續住的地方
結果現在那些地方出現裂縫了,這些裂縫原本就是被預估會出現的
而且並沒有比預期出現的還要大
之後的我就懶得畫重點了,你自己點進去看
台大研究所的一位學生 VS 大地技師公會
都幾?
我是不知道你選那邊啦,不過我選右邊。
就問你一句就好,樂生真的這麼危險的話
最想搬出去的人不是樂生居民嗎?
所以樂青是罔顧這些老人家的安全,在跟政府爭執所謂的正義囉?
最後,我可以接受你跟我的論點不一樣,所以我在第一次說不回應的時候,
看你的推文還蠻有討論的味道,我才繼續的
結果哪知道你後來又跳回去,跳來跳去,不累嗎?
再說一遍,我不回應不代表我接受你可以指著我的鼻子不斷的扣帽子
如果你不是誠心的來討論就請你出去!現在!
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