新竹的統籌分配款比基隆嘉義還少欸 - 新竹

By Hedwig
at 2021-10-14T10:36
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※ 引述《MacD89 (MacD89)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《egod0821 (邪神)》之銘言:
: : 所以呢?你是贊成輕軌還是反對輕軌?
: : 高雄需不需要捷運?高雄人:需要啊!
: : [新聞]全台唯一!高捷「虧損13億」列紓困補助對象關鍵原因曝光
: : https://www.ettoday.net/news/20210707/2025301.htm
: : 桃園需不需要捷運?桃園人:需要啊!
: : [新聞]機場捷運2年燒掉15億 桃捷考慮不再向中央續租
: : https://udn.com/news/story/7241/5814069
: : 台中需不需要捷運?台中人:需要啊!
: : [新聞]疫情重災戶!中捷預計虧損6.5億議員要求虧損不得增加
: : https://newtalk.tw/news/view/2021-08-10/618585
: : 沒那個屁股不要吃那個瀉藥,輕軌不是公車
: : 公車還可以說廢就廢,輕軌虧損那些建設都不知道該怎麼辦
: : 台中,高雄,桃園人口比新竹多多少,虧損一個比一個誇張
: : 新竹人連坐公車的習慣都沒有養成了,蓋甚麼輕軌
: 又來了
: 講到公車...
: 這是30年前的台北
: https://i.imgur.com/ulm7hz5.png
: 你覺得圖中的公車能飛起來嗎?
: 不覺得再這樣下去新竹越來越像30年前的台北嗎?
: 你覺得塞成這樣再多加幾台公車就能解決問題嗎?
: 藍線一號使用率還蠻高的 它有解決了塞車的問題了嗎?
: : 到時候虧損你要負擔嗎?你真的是新竹人嗎?
: 北捷本業也虧損喔
: 東京地鐵也虧
: 記得全世界鐵道本業有賺錢的只有香港地鐵
: 所以你很容易找到一堆虧損的鐵道事業來當反例
: 但你完全忽略鐵道站點的創稅功能那就完全沒說服力
: 基礎建設之所以叫做基礎就是因為它不是有扶貧就是有開源創稅功能
: 所以公立醫院學校都不以營利為主 因為它有扶貧立基的功用 營利已不是重點
: 軌道建設也是基礎建設 它能把蛋白區跟蛋黃區連結 跟學區連結 跟工作機會連結
: 讓住在蛋白區也能快速的進入使用蛋黃區資源
: 這就是為什麼全世界多數先進國家都在燒錢補助鐵路
: (新加坡計劃未來10年花費630億美元在鐵道擴建上
: 記得有篇新聞總理李顯龍宣誓未來要讓大部份國民
: 都能在可步行距離內搭上鐵道路網)
: 副作用當然就是蛋黃區站點附近房價更加高漲
: 但這不就是創稅?不然地方稅怎麼來?
: 自由市場法則告訴我們大家都想要的東西就是會漲
: 成交即合理
: 拿「炒房」來攻擊輕軌捷運的反對者正好就是自打嘴巴
: 這正說明他們內心深處也覺得蓋好後會吸引更多人因交通方便而入住
: 則大家不需要鐵道建設的說法就不攻自破
: 事實也證明是如此 新北三蘆新土就是例子
: 十幾年前這些區盛產什麼出名我不就不說了 連我三重的同學都拿來自嘲
: 這幾區近十年來都因為捷運建設而整個向上提升
: 陸續有些公司看中交通方便
: 尤其是有機捷環線通過的上新莊 越來越多商辦大樓落成公司進駐
: 新北的侯sir更是提出了「捷運蓋到哪裡 都更就做到哪裡」的宣言
: 吸引了更多脫北(市)人口入藉創稅
: 這就是軌道運輸建設使區域向上提升的案例
: 這益處光從運輸本業損益是看不出來的
新竹蓋輕軌, 預計5年以上評估, 10~15年修築.
樂觀預估順利的話2040年可以看到..
再來看世界趨勢.
歐盟委員預計2030年將會普及完全自動駕駛.
日本內閣府與日本汽車工業協會發布的相關報告中提出,
2025年將在國道和地方道路實現自動駕駛.
雖然有點樂觀. 但是自動駕駛是世界趨勢.
但是為了實現自動駕駛,整個道路環境需要重新設計.
那個20年後那個全新竹市民要賠錢養,然後人要走在車道去搭車的輕軌可能才剛蓋好.
就反而變成自動駕駛智慧道路建設最大的阻礙.
至於塞車要怎麼解決!? 作為一個真正科技城市.
或許現在做的是要怎樣設計一個完整適合的自動駕駛道路系統.
https://pansci.asia/archives/267123
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: ※ 引述《egod0821 (邪神)》之銘言:
: : 所以呢?你是贊成輕軌還是反對輕軌?
: : 高雄需不需要捷運?高雄人:需要啊!
: : [新聞]全台唯一!高捷「虧損13億」列紓困補助對象關鍵原因曝光
: : https://www.ettoday.net/news/20210707/2025301.htm
: : 桃園需不需要捷運?桃園人:需要啊!
: : [新聞]機場捷運2年燒掉15億 桃捷考慮不再向中央續租
: : https://udn.com/news/story/7241/5814069
: : 台中需不需要捷運?台中人:需要啊!
: : [新聞]疫情重災戶!中捷預計虧損6.5億議員要求虧損不得增加
: : https://newtalk.tw/news/view/2021-08-10/618585
: : 沒那個屁股不要吃那個瀉藥,輕軌不是公車
: : 公車還可以說廢就廢,輕軌虧損那些建設都不知道該怎麼辦
: : 台中,高雄,桃園人口比新竹多多少,虧損一個比一個誇張
: : 新竹人連坐公車的習慣都沒有養成了,蓋甚麼輕軌
: 又來了
: 講到公車...
: 這是30年前的台北
: https://i.imgur.com/ulm7hz5.png

: 不覺得再這樣下去新竹越來越像30年前的台北嗎?
: 你覺得塞成這樣再多加幾台公車就能解決問題嗎?
: 藍線一號使用率還蠻高的 它有解決了塞車的問題了嗎?
: : 到時候虧損你要負擔嗎?你真的是新竹人嗎?
: 北捷本業也虧損喔
: 東京地鐵也虧
: 記得全世界鐵道本業有賺錢的只有香港地鐵
: 所以你很容易找到一堆虧損的鐵道事業來當反例
: 但你完全忽略鐵道站點的創稅功能那就完全沒說服力
: 基礎建設之所以叫做基礎就是因為它不是有扶貧就是有開源創稅功能
: 所以公立醫院學校都不以營利為主 因為它有扶貧立基的功用 營利已不是重點
: 軌道建設也是基礎建設 它能把蛋白區跟蛋黃區連結 跟學區連結 跟工作機會連結
: 讓住在蛋白區也能快速的進入使用蛋黃區資源
: 這就是為什麼全世界多數先進國家都在燒錢補助鐵路
: (新加坡計劃未來10年花費630億美元在鐵道擴建上
: 記得有篇新聞總理李顯龍宣誓未來要讓大部份國民
: 都能在可步行距離內搭上鐵道路網)
: 副作用當然就是蛋黃區站點附近房價更加高漲
: 但這不就是創稅?不然地方稅怎麼來?
: 自由市場法則告訴我們大家都想要的東西就是會漲
: 成交即合理
: 拿「炒房」來攻擊輕軌捷運的反對者正好就是自打嘴巴
: 這正說明他們內心深處也覺得蓋好後會吸引更多人因交通方便而入住
: 則大家不需要鐵道建設的說法就不攻自破
: 事實也證明是如此 新北三蘆新土就是例子
: 十幾年前這些區盛產什麼出名我不就不說了 連我三重的同學都拿來自嘲
: 這幾區近十年來都因為捷運建設而整個向上提升
: 陸續有些公司看中交通方便
: 尤其是有機捷環線通過的上新莊 越來越多商辦大樓落成公司進駐
: 新北的侯sir更是提出了「捷運蓋到哪裡 都更就做到哪裡」的宣言
: 吸引了更多脫北(市)人口入藉創稅
: 這就是軌道運輸建設使區域向上提升的案例
: 這益處光從運輸本業損益是看不出來的
新竹蓋輕軌, 預計5年以上評估, 10~15年修築.
樂觀預估順利的話2040年可以看到..
再來看世界趨勢.
歐盟委員預計2030年將會普及完全自動駕駛.
日本內閣府與日本汽車工業協會發布的相關報告中提出,
2025年將在國道和地方道路實現自動駕駛.
雖然有點樂觀. 但是自動駕駛是世界趨勢.
但是為了實現自動駕駛,整個道路環境需要重新設計.
那個20年後那個全新竹市民要賠錢養,然後人要走在車道去搭車的輕軌可能才剛蓋好.
就反而變成自動駕駛智慧道路建設最大的阻礙.
至於塞車要怎麼解決!? 作為一個真正科技城市.
或許現在做的是要怎樣設計一個完整適合的自動駕駛道路系統.
https://pansci.asia/archives/267123
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