我喜歡上家教女學生 - 閒聊
By Christine
at 2018-01-31T16:50
at 2018-01-31T16:50
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※ 引述《uuu3u (杉攸)》之銘言:
: 現在當老師真的很可憐,整個人連同私人感情都要被道德的有色眼鏡箝制
身為當人老師的專業人士,我覺得放你這篇觀點蔓延不行,會讓許多人誤會這件事的嚴重
性。
: 業務員跟客戶交往,人家會說你事業有成、人生雙贏
: 調酒師跟失戀客人調情,人家會說愛情總是來自意想不到的地方
: 作家跟讀者戀愛,人家會虧你下一本就寫愛情故事吧
: 但就因為你是老師,你的顧客是學生,所有道德魔人的控制欲、偏見、道德勒索通通噴發出
: 沒有人在乎女學生的感受
已經有人回應了一篇,說明師生和你所舉的例子不一樣的地方。也就是師生是一種有權力
從屬的關係。
這與道德無關,事實上認為師生關係處於完全的平等,正是對於道德倫理錯誤的判斷與規
避。
同樣的情況不僅適用於師生、也可見於醫病、諮商關係。教育是一種權力的實踐管道,傅
柯說:「透過教育,權力得以實施。」
講直接一點,如果沒有經過家長的背書與認證,正常管道下原原PO有能力認識這位女學生
,進而發展到現在的階段嗎?在這個過程中女孩子的防備心與判斷力,是否有被「家庭教
師」的目的給消除?
我舉實務的諮商倫理來說好了,一個個案和諮商師在諮商關係結束後若要關係正常化,至
少要經過兩年的隔離。就是為了避免諮商師在諮商過程中濫用其地位所賦予的支配能力去
影響個案。而在這個案例裡,原原PO難道不是明顯的使用了他的位置去表現自己的個人特
質,進而獲得學生的好感嗎?
: 她在這些人的眼中就只是個沒有判斷力、不需要有感情、只要好好考試就好的物品
如果今天這個女孩子在外面透過任何社交場合認識原原PO,發展這樣的關係,那我不會有
意見。但顯然不是,我真的不知道,阻止這種有道德爭議的關係模式,哪裡物化女性了?
: 再者
: 原po努力維持工作上的專業、對感情自我反省、準備對對方家長釋出誠意這些表現
: 其實多少能夠證明他不只是單純想幹嫩妹而已
工作上的專業是什麼?就是以教學為核心的交誼態度。把你的學生看作學生,而不是女人
,或女人預備軍。沒做到這點的人,談什麼工作專業都是假的。
自我反省?我也不要求這麼高尚的情操了,檢討自己的工作態度吧。
癡情男子的形象與專業教育者是不能並存的。
: 那麼在我眼中這就是一段再平凡不過的「感情」,只是其中的角色是老師與學生
: 只要女生成年之前不搞出法律問題,其他人又有什麼道德高度可以說嘴?
: 希望原po不要太懷疑自己,好好幫助女學生完成課業,好好談一場戀愛吧
: 加油
我說一個故事,我碩士班的時候在北市的一間知名公立國中帶了一個月的國文。兩個班的
女生加起來大概有十個以上私下偷偷塞紙條給我,我在導師室備課時還有人會特別找藉口
來找我聊天。13-14歲的青春女生明示暗示的說想要放假約出去。
接家教時也有年輕的高中女生跟我說她想考我的學校來當我學妹啊XDDDD,家教關係結束後
渡過一年冷靜期還會聊天的人,到現在也就一個。
你說被崇拜,示好爽不爽?被年輕女孩子崇拜感覺當然很好啊。但問題是,你怎麼會覺得
那種感情是真實的呢?高壓的學習環境裡出現一個年輕異性,長相不差的老師,什麼投射
都會往上走,那幾乎是必定的。
她們喜歡與崇拜的那種感覺,其實針對的根本不是我,而是任何一個出現那個位置,條件
與我相近的角色。
弄清這點,教學的過程才不會迷信自己的魅力,否則不配為人師表。
想要追求任何人以前,先將自己身上曾經擁有的光環都剝除再說吧。
: -----
: Sent from JPTT on my Sony F8132.
--
: 現在當老師真的很可憐,整個人連同私人感情都要被道德的有色眼鏡箝制
身為當人老師的專業人士,我覺得放你這篇觀點蔓延不行,會讓許多人誤會這件事的嚴重
性。
: 業務員跟客戶交往,人家會說你事業有成、人生雙贏
: 調酒師跟失戀客人調情,人家會說愛情總是來自意想不到的地方
: 作家跟讀者戀愛,人家會虧你下一本就寫愛情故事吧
: 但就因為你是老師,你的顧客是學生,所有道德魔人的控制欲、偏見、道德勒索通通噴發出
: 沒有人在乎女學生的感受
已經有人回應了一篇,說明師生和你所舉的例子不一樣的地方。也就是師生是一種有權力
從屬的關係。
這與道德無關,事實上認為師生關係處於完全的平等,正是對於道德倫理錯誤的判斷與規
避。
同樣的情況不僅適用於師生、也可見於醫病、諮商關係。教育是一種權力的實踐管道,傅
柯說:「透過教育,權力得以實施。」
講直接一點,如果沒有經過家長的背書與認證,正常管道下原原PO有能力認識這位女學生
,進而發展到現在的階段嗎?在這個過程中女孩子的防備心與判斷力,是否有被「家庭教
師」的目的給消除?
我舉實務的諮商倫理來說好了,一個個案和諮商師在諮商關係結束後若要關係正常化,至
少要經過兩年的隔離。就是為了避免諮商師在諮商過程中濫用其地位所賦予的支配能力去
影響個案。而在這個案例裡,原原PO難道不是明顯的使用了他的位置去表現自己的個人特
質,進而獲得學生的好感嗎?
: 她在這些人的眼中就只是個沒有判斷力、不需要有感情、只要好好考試就好的物品
如果今天這個女孩子在外面透過任何社交場合認識原原PO,發展這樣的關係,那我不會有
意見。但顯然不是,我真的不知道,阻止這種有道德爭議的關係模式,哪裡物化女性了?
: 再者
: 原po努力維持工作上的專業、對感情自我反省、準備對對方家長釋出誠意這些表現
: 其實多少能夠證明他不只是單純想幹嫩妹而已
工作上的專業是什麼?就是以教學為核心的交誼態度。把你的學生看作學生,而不是女人
,或女人預備軍。沒做到這點的人,談什麼工作專業都是假的。
自我反省?我也不要求這麼高尚的情操了,檢討自己的工作態度吧。
癡情男子的形象與專業教育者是不能並存的。
: 那麼在我眼中這就是一段再平凡不過的「感情」,只是其中的角色是老師與學生
: 只要女生成年之前不搞出法律問題,其他人又有什麼道德高度可以說嘴?
: 希望原po不要太懷疑自己,好好幫助女學生完成課業,好好談一場戀愛吧
: 加油
我說一個故事,我碩士班的時候在北市的一間知名公立國中帶了一個月的國文。兩個班的
女生加起來大概有十個以上私下偷偷塞紙條給我,我在導師室備課時還有人會特別找藉口
來找我聊天。13-14歲的青春女生明示暗示的說想要放假約出去。
接家教時也有年輕的高中女生跟我說她想考我的學校來當我學妹啊XDDDD,家教關係結束後
渡過一年冷靜期還會聊天的人,到現在也就一個。
你說被崇拜,示好爽不爽?被年輕女孩子崇拜感覺當然很好啊。但問題是,你怎麼會覺得
那種感情是真實的呢?高壓的學習環境裡出現一個年輕異性,長相不差的老師,什麼投射
都會往上走,那幾乎是必定的。
她們喜歡與崇拜的那種感覺,其實針對的根本不是我,而是任何一個出現那個位置,條件
與我相近的角色。
弄清這點,教學的過程才不會迷信自己的魅力,否則不配為人師表。
想要追求任何人以前,先將自己身上曾經擁有的光環都剝除再說吧。
: -----
: Sent from JPTT on my Sony F8132.
--
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