家蒂諾鐵板燒鴨肝裝鵝肝敗訴了 - 高雄
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轉八卦自己的文好像違反新版規 就重新發一篇
但前面版友們的推文有點可惜 就一併複製過來
有人覺得不妥請來信我會幫忙刪除
高雄點: 兩年前的高雄家蒂諾鐵板燒 鴨肝裝鵝肝事件 判決出爐
事情經過可以看這邊
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Kaohsiung/M.1495728154.A.2EE.html
再來個簡單的前情提要就是
我和我老婆去高雄家蒂諾鐵板燒溫莎公園店在 2016.9 去吃
餐點裡面有鵝肝
2016.10 ptt 有人爆料該店用的是鴨肝 我看到打電話去詢問店家 店家承認
於是 2016.11 報案
到2018.7.23 才收到判決書
------------------------------
先說結論
家蒂諾溫莎店負責人李小姐涉及三人以上共同犯詐欺取財罪,處1年6個月有期徒刑
犯罪所得7216元沒收
(對方有沒有上訴不知道)
詳細判決書好像電子版要十五天後才會出來
我大概打一下重點
1. 鴨肝就真的比鵝肝便宜
李小姐不斷供稱「因為鵝肝有疫情才用鴨肝,他們用的是高級鴨肝
算一算成本他們賣出一份還虧3元。
而且他有教育員工如果有客人點鵝肝要去解釋這是鴨肝,
客人不接受的話,原本的前菜『鵝肝蒸蛋』就把鵝肝(鴨肝)拿掉只給他蒸蛋。
(編按:媽呀這種話你說得出來)」
但自家員工做證他們向廠商叫貨,因為價格太高,
家蒂諾從開幕到現在從來沒訂過鵝肝。
而且很明顯他們訂的鴨肝價格就是比鵝肝低
2. 用鵝肝騙人來消費就是詐欺
李小姐辯稱鴨肝是虧本,但法官認為這個是把人騙進來的招數
就算真的鴨肝虧本,但銷售其他菜單金額還是算賺錢
食品法也把標示不實,"有危害人體" 的危害人體拿掉,只要內容物跟標示物不符
就是違法!
所以鵝肝雖然只佔這次套餐的一部分金額,但該次的消費 7216 全都該算在不法所得,
因為沒有那鵝肝,可能就不會有這次消費。
李小姐的家蒂諾在事情爆發之後,立刻把菜單改成鴨肝
法官也認為明明改菜單就是做得到的事情,
事發之後才改,顯示之前根本是故意詐欺
3. 多人詐欺,不要以為你沒有責任
這次除了負責人之外,負責設計菜單的洪姓主廚
外場副理許小姐、陳小姐都被認定有故意消極不告知 "鵝肝" 其實是鴨肝的行為
所以都被認為是三人以上共同詐欺,罪刑較重
不要以為你跟著老闆說的話做就沒有罪
4. 只有我提告,所以指沒收我的餐費
判決書記載,家蒂諾從 2013~.10~2016.10 共賣出了含鵝肝的套餐 3596份,
金額共1558萬5600元。
法官說「審酌近年來關於違反實安法之案件層出不窮,
被告身為索價高昂之餐廳負責人,違背消費者信任與期待,
蓄意提供鴨肝假冒鵝肝銷售,造成民眾食品衛生安全及消費者權益影響,並詐得財物,
所為實有不該」 我本來以為該是重罰的時候,
不過判決書後面又寫了「本次僅售出套餐2份,共計詐得7216元之情節」
「被告知之販賣假冒食品之行為,係販賣予不同消費者之行為,
致不同消費者受害,然各該消費者是否因詐欺而受有損害,
被告是否因而獲利等節,均有不明」
所以只判了7216元的沒收款,那1558萬就...
實在是這次最讓我汗顏的地方...
(有人推文說這邊不該用汗顏 的確啦...
我原本想說 "最讓我臉上三條線" 看來我說話還是不要太文謅謅好了)
想著李小姐在第一次偵查庭信誓旦旦地對我說
"就這一年才開始鴨肝裝鵝肝"
再看看判決書
金額也許對他們來說只是九牛一毛(可能就算1558萬也不算什麼),
但刑期看起來是跑不掉的
結局不能說完全滿意,好像也只能等檢察官能不能用其他方式去辦那1558萬的不法所得
但這次歷經被人來上班地點堵人,一個小市民能去為食安盡一份心力,
我已經問心無愧了
最後還是那句
你想要怎樣的社會,就從自己去試著改變。
感謝收看!
----前面文章的高雄板板友推文----
我告訴的是刑法詐欺 這是刑事案件
所以是檢察官幫你打官司,免費
你可以選擇要不要出庭 不過一開始要去做筆錄
只是這中間的時間真~的~很~久~
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但前面版友們的推文有點可惜 就一併複製過來
有人覺得不妥請來信我會幫忙刪除
高雄點: 兩年前的高雄家蒂諾鐵板燒 鴨肝裝鵝肝事件 判決出爐
事情經過可以看這邊
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Kaohsiung/M.1495728154.A.2EE.html
再來個簡單的前情提要就是
我和我老婆去高雄家蒂諾鐵板燒溫莎公園店在 2016.9 去吃
餐點裡面有鵝肝
2016.10 ptt 有人爆料該店用的是鴨肝 我看到打電話去詢問店家 店家承認
於是 2016.11 報案
到2018.7.23 才收到判決書
------------------------------
先說結論
家蒂諾溫莎店負責人李小姐涉及三人以上共同犯詐欺取財罪,處1年6個月有期徒刑
犯罪所得7216元沒收
(對方有沒有上訴不知道)
詳細判決書好像電子版要十五天後才會出來
我大概打一下重點
1. 鴨肝就真的比鵝肝便宜
李小姐不斷供稱「因為鵝肝有疫情才用鴨肝,他們用的是高級鴨肝
算一算成本他們賣出一份還虧3元。
而且他有教育員工如果有客人點鵝肝要去解釋這是鴨肝,
客人不接受的話,原本的前菜『鵝肝蒸蛋』就把鵝肝(鴨肝)拿掉只給他蒸蛋。
(編按:媽呀這種話你說得出來)」
但自家員工做證他們向廠商叫貨,因為價格太高,
家蒂諾從開幕到現在從來沒訂過鵝肝。
而且很明顯他們訂的鴨肝價格就是比鵝肝低
2. 用鵝肝騙人來消費就是詐欺
李小姐辯稱鴨肝是虧本,但法官認為這個是把人騙進來的招數
就算真的鴨肝虧本,但銷售其他菜單金額還是算賺錢
食品法也把標示不實,"有危害人體" 的危害人體拿掉,只要內容物跟標示物不符
就是違法!
所以鵝肝雖然只佔這次套餐的一部分金額,但該次的消費 7216 全都該算在不法所得,
因為沒有那鵝肝,可能就不會有這次消費。
李小姐的家蒂諾在事情爆發之後,立刻把菜單改成鴨肝
法官也認為明明改菜單就是做得到的事情,
事發之後才改,顯示之前根本是故意詐欺
3. 多人詐欺,不要以為你沒有責任
這次除了負責人之外,負責設計菜單的洪姓主廚
外場副理許小姐、陳小姐都被認定有故意消極不告知 "鵝肝" 其實是鴨肝的行為
所以都被認為是三人以上共同詐欺,罪刑較重
不要以為你跟著老闆說的話做就沒有罪
4. 只有我提告,所以指沒收我的餐費
判決書記載,家蒂諾從 2013~.10~2016.10 共賣出了含鵝肝的套餐 3596份,
金額共1558萬5600元。
法官說「審酌近年來關於違反實安法之案件層出不窮,
被告身為索價高昂之餐廳負責人,違背消費者信任與期待,
蓄意提供鴨肝假冒鵝肝銷售,造成民眾食品衛生安全及消費者權益影響,並詐得財物,
所為實有不該」 我本來以為該是重罰的時候,
不過判決書後面又寫了「本次僅售出套餐2份,共計詐得7216元之情節」
「被告知之販賣假冒食品之行為,係販賣予不同消費者之行為,
致不同消費者受害,然各該消費者是否因詐欺而受有損害,
被告是否因而獲利等節,均有不明」
所以只判了7216元的沒收款,那1558萬就...
實在是這次最讓我汗顏的地方...
(有人推文說這邊不該用汗顏 的確啦...
我原本想說 "最讓我臉上三條線" 看來我說話還是不要太文謅謅好了)
想著李小姐在第一次偵查庭信誓旦旦地對我說
"就這一年才開始鴨肝裝鵝肝"
再看看判決書
金額也許對他們來說只是九牛一毛(可能就算1558萬也不算什麼),
但刑期看起來是跑不掉的
結局不能說完全滿意,好像也只能等檢察官能不能用其他方式去辦那1558萬的不法所得
但這次歷經被人來上班地點堵人,一個小市民能去為食安盡一份心力,
我已經問心無愧了
最後還是那句
你想要怎樣的社會,就從自己去試著改變。
感謝收看!
----前面文章的高雄板板友推文----
推 bigmuch: 頭推 07/24 00:01
推 linda1025: 恭喜你勝訴,為消費者出一口氣! 07/24 00:02
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我告訴的是刑法詐欺 這是刑事案件
所以是檢察官幫你打官司,免費
你可以選擇要不要出庭 不過一開始要去做筆錄
只是這中間的時間真~的~很~久~
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高雄點請參考板規1-2
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