城中城可能闢成公園 地主錯愕:市長應不 - 高雄
By Quintina
at 2021-11-12T01:47
at 2021-11-12T01:47
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各位好,我是鍵盤建築師,
我懷著有點沈痛的心情談談城中城區段徵收案。
懶得看內容的我直接講結論:
我支持強制拆除危樓,但反對此案區段徵收。
個人認為此例不可開,否則未來人民財產將不受保障。
開始之前我先貼一下市府的官方新聞稿:
https://is.gd/aoflGy
提出高雄首例「公益性跨區區段徵收」
城中城改建公園且兼顧居住財產權
https://is.gd/6Hxqo8
城中城大樓拆除原址再生
將興建公園 保障住戶及所有權人居住權與財產權
主要是資訊有點多,所以我想釐清議題。
首先,依照今天的新聞:
https://is.gd/mzcuOn
城中城達危樓標準 陳其邁:簡單講就是要拆除
依建築法第81條,市府認定危樓就是可以依法拆除,
幾天前仁愛河濱商城已經演過一次,合情合理合法。
這裡的疑點有兩個:
1.火災剛結束時三大公會已經進場勘查過,
當時的新聞稿說「城中城大樓無立即傾倒危險」。
https://is.gd/XoMIm2
現在要推翻之前的結論,很難不聯想其中是否有專業以外的考量。
2.建築法第81條並無任何補償救濟手段,拆完了房屋產權就沒有了。
「有房無地者可以領取救濟金」這件事是哪裡來的?民眾捐的善款嗎?
到目前為止,我仍舊支持強制拆除,撇除結構上的危險,
城中城建物有根本上「使用行為」的危險,而且無法改善。
接下來,房子拆完了、房屋產權沒有了,可是土地產權仍舊存在。
土地產權的處理跟房屋就完全是兩件事了,不宜併在一起談。
說真的市府把兩件事併在一起談,我覺得居心叵測。
市府說「提出『公益性跨區區段徵收』方案,
將城中城街廓改建為公園,視為鹽埕舊城區新生的起點」。
姑且先不討論這個區域是不是真的需要一個公園,
今天是城中城燒了才想到「欸,這邊好像缺一個公園」嗎?
如果不是的話,為什麼多年來沒有在都市計畫檢討劃定公園?
這裡明明就是一塊「商四」的土地,沒有都市計畫變更就先講,
是不是先射箭再畫靶?
商四土地是有開發價值的,之前卡在房子難以推動重建,
現在房子被強制拆掉了,按理說地主們應該摩拳擦掌準備啟動。
如果是站在都市更新的立場,為何還需要啟動區段徵收?
再者,如果這裡真的缺公園,
旁邊那塊史博館、國際會議中心的機關用地,市府大可拿來整建;
再不滿足,整個大溝頂區段徵收的公益性和效益可能都高得多。
「為什麼要去區段徵收一塊商四的土地拿來蓋公園?」
講到這裡,就談到公益性。
依照土地徵收條例第4條第1項第2款:
「舊都市地區為公共安全、衛生、交通之需要
或促進土地之合理使用實施更新者...得為區段徵收。」
所以蓋公園是為了公共安全、衛生及交通需要嗎?
還是為了「促進土地之合理使用」?
所以市府今天可以任意指定一塊地,
基於某種市府認定的原因就區段徵收人民的財產?
還記得大埔張藥房嗎?
當時劉政鴻舉的旗子還更大呢!
人家可是打著科學園區的名號,而且都市計畫和開發計畫都通過了唷
城中城原址蓋公園的公益性,我實在是看不出來。
要講公益性,去徵收大溝頂還有意義一點。
今天此例一開,以後民眾屋產都可能基於某種原因被徵收;
然後被徵收的方式是市府開記者會說你家要被徵收了。
最後的重點是,區段徵收、蓋公園的費用,都是拿納稅人的錢。
(抵價地也是納稅人的財產,這裡簡化統稱為錢)
憑什麼拿納稅人的去錢圖利特定人士?
對,我就是懷疑有圖利之嫌。
原有地主是否得利有點難講,但週邊的開發商是明顯得利的。
從密集住商區變成公園第一排,不算得利嗎?
前文推文有網友提到城中城斜對面的露天停車場,
那塊地"就是正在都更的財團土地,而且都更計畫已經核定"。
再講一次,憑什麼拿納稅人的錢去圖利特定人士?
如果是要推動都市更新,我舉雙手贊成區段徵收整個大溝頂,
然後闢建為區域河道休閒空間並重整商業空間。
這樣的公益性才"值得侵犯人民的私有產權"。
順便炒地皮。
獲得良好都市生活品質的前提下,我認了。
就像市府推動台積電來高雄一樣,背後是整個產業更新,
大利之下我不介意拿納稅錢去幫台積電處理土地(扯遠了)。
還沒有談到公園的必要性之前,可以請市府先談談蓋公園的公益性嗎?
「城中城蓋公園」的公益性,有大到需要啟動區段徵收嗎?
這種近似五鬼搬運的區段徵收案,真的不該開先例。
我支持強制拆除危樓,但反對此案區段徵收。
個人認為此例不可開,否則未來人民財產將不受保障。
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我懷著有點沈痛的心情談談城中城區段徵收案。
懶得看內容的我直接講結論:
我支持強制拆除危樓,但反對此案區段徵收。
個人認為此例不可開,否則未來人民財產將不受保障。
開始之前我先貼一下市府的官方新聞稿:
https://is.gd/aoflGy
提出高雄首例「公益性跨區區段徵收」
城中城改建公園且兼顧居住財產權
https://is.gd/6Hxqo8
城中城大樓拆除原址再生
將興建公園 保障住戶及所有權人居住權與財產權
主要是資訊有點多,所以我想釐清議題。
首先,依照今天的新聞:
https://is.gd/mzcuOn
城中城達危樓標準 陳其邁:簡單講就是要拆除
依建築法第81條,市府認定危樓就是可以依法拆除,
幾天前仁愛河濱商城已經演過一次,合情合理合法。
這裡的疑點有兩個:
1.火災剛結束時三大公會已經進場勘查過,
當時的新聞稿說「城中城大樓無立即傾倒危險」。
https://is.gd/XoMIm2
現在要推翻之前的結論,很難不聯想其中是否有專業以外的考量。
2.建築法第81條並無任何補償救濟手段,拆完了房屋產權就沒有了。
「有房無地者可以領取救濟金」這件事是哪裡來的?民眾捐的善款嗎?
到目前為止,我仍舊支持強制拆除,撇除結構上的危險,
城中城建物有根本上「使用行為」的危險,而且無法改善。
接下來,房子拆完了、房屋產權沒有了,可是土地產權仍舊存在。
土地產權的處理跟房屋就完全是兩件事了,不宜併在一起談。
說真的市府把兩件事併在一起談,我覺得居心叵測。
市府說「提出『公益性跨區區段徵收』方案,
將城中城街廓改建為公園,視為鹽埕舊城區新生的起點」。
姑且先不討論這個區域是不是真的需要一個公園,
今天是城中城燒了才想到「欸,這邊好像缺一個公園」嗎?
如果不是的話,為什麼多年來沒有在都市計畫檢討劃定公園?
這裡明明就是一塊「商四」的土地,沒有都市計畫變更就先講,
是不是先射箭再畫靶?
商四土地是有開發價值的,之前卡在房子難以推動重建,
現在房子被強制拆掉了,按理說地主們應該摩拳擦掌準備啟動。
如果是站在都市更新的立場,為何還需要啟動區段徵收?
再者,如果這裡真的缺公園,
旁邊那塊史博館、國際會議中心的機關用地,市府大可拿來整建;
再不滿足,整個大溝頂區段徵收的公益性和效益可能都高得多。
「為什麼要去區段徵收一塊商四的土地拿來蓋公園?」
講到這裡,就談到公益性。
依照土地徵收條例第4條第1項第2款:
「舊都市地區為公共安全、衛生、交通之需要
或促進土地之合理使用實施更新者...得為區段徵收。」
所以蓋公園是為了公共安全、衛生及交通需要嗎?
還是為了「促進土地之合理使用」?
所以市府今天可以任意指定一塊地,
基於某種市府認定的原因就區段徵收人民的財產?
還記得大埔張藥房嗎?
當時劉政鴻舉的旗子還更大呢!
人家可是打著科學園區的名號,而且都市計畫和開發計畫都通過了唷
城中城原址蓋公園的公益性,我實在是看不出來。
要講公益性,去徵收大溝頂還有意義一點。
今天此例一開,以後民眾屋產都可能基於某種原因被徵收;
然後被徵收的方式是市府開記者會說你家要被徵收了。
最後的重點是,區段徵收、蓋公園的費用,都是拿納稅人的錢。
(抵價地也是納稅人的財產,這裡簡化統稱為錢)
憑什麼拿納稅人的去錢圖利特定人士?
對,我就是懷疑有圖利之嫌。
原有地主是否得利有點難講,但週邊的開發商是明顯得利的。
從密集住商區變成公園第一排,不算得利嗎?
前文推文有網友提到城中城斜對面的露天停車場,
那塊地"就是正在都更的財團土地,而且都更計畫已經核定"。
再講一次,憑什麼拿納稅人的錢去圖利特定人士?
如果是要推動都市更新,我舉雙手贊成區段徵收整個大溝頂,
然後闢建為區域河道休閒空間並重整商業空間。
這樣的公益性才"值得侵犯人民的私有產權"。
順便炒地皮。
獲得良好都市生活品質的前提下,我認了。
就像市府推動台積電來高雄一樣,背後是整個產業更新,
大利之下我不介意拿納稅錢去幫台積電處理土地(扯遠了)。
還沒有談到公園的必要性之前,可以請市府先談談蓋公園的公益性嗎?
「城中城蓋公園」的公益性,有大到需要啟動區段徵收嗎?
這種近似五鬼搬運的區段徵收案,真的不該開先例。
我支持強制拆除危樓,但反對此案區段徵收。
個人認為此例不可開,否則未來人民財產將不受保障。
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