嘉義市長涂醒哲就職 擬2個月後拆BRT - 嘉義
By Necoo
at 2014-12-27T12:14
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以當地居民的角度分享一下。
垂楊路我天天走,走路,腳踏車,機車,開車都有。
主要活動範圍正好是崇文跟嘉女一帶,算是這次討論的熱區吧。
專用道要不要"廢除"(應該沒有拆除的問題,只是優先路權取消)?
--> 我認為是要廢除。以目前的公車頻率來說實在不需要專用道。
但是反過來要規定大客/貨車除非轉彎或路邊停否則只能走
內線車道(之前的專用道位置)。我經常看到內線給BRT走,
但是有遊覽車走在外側一般車道,非常詭異。
候車亭要不要遷到路邊人行道?
--> 如果將來會積極發展市區公車網路,那就不要拆,因為可以預期上下車的
人數跟使用率都會提高,那麼現在遷到人行道,將來一定又要再花錢改回中間。
至於站體的位置要不要微調這倒是可以考慮,我自己是沒特別感覺。
--> 如果市長的城市願景沒有市區公車這一項,那麼我同意應該遷到路旁人行道。
目前上下車使用率最高的時刻多半是嘉女上下學,遷到路旁對學生也方便,
對相對少數的其他市民影響也有限。
--> 至於,要不要發展市區公車,我認為這是大哉問,不是作秀可以解決的。
要發展公車,就必須提高汽機車持有跟使用成本,並且嚴格執行違規拖吊,
讓喜歡自由的用路人要常態付出規費跟停車費或自備停車位,鼓勵(並且迫使)
市民改變長年的習慣。公車不是給付行政的大紅包,而是附加很多義務的政策。
正因為這樣的配套會影響人民權利義務,我覺得這才是真正需要公投的題目,
至於單獨採用拆不拆專用道/候車亭來辦公投根本是見樹不見林的議題。
我期待的公投意旨大略像這樣:
>> 是否同意嘉義市注資發展市區公車網路,保留道路中央候車亭
並同時提高汽機車各項稅率?
是(全部同意),否(全部不同意)。
崇文跟嘉女上放學的接送問題
-->有人主張,因為接送的家長跟車輛影響機慢車道,所以反對遷移候車亭。
我覺得這是個錯誤的邏輯。因為接送的家長人跟車本來就不應該阻礙交通,
怎麼會容忍他們阻礙交通然後下去做政策推論呢?
誰規定接送小孩一定要把車停在校門口?根本是台灣人自私的小聰明與漠視
公共利益的劣根性。這跟自家辦喜喪事就要佔用馬路一樣令我討厭。嘉義市沒有
餐廳,沒有殯儀館嗎?
同理,你難道不能把車停到正確的地方,走過來接小孩,走回車上開走,很難嗎?
喔,接送小孩不能走5-10分鐘?所以可以干擾公眾通行的權益,有這種事?
如果有議者認為,哪有這麼多停車位提供接小孩,那麼這又是市政府的責任了,
如果民族停車場或道路停車位不夠,那麼市政府就應該快點興建文化公園停車場或
其他停車方案,政府有讓人民可以守法的義務。
延伸一下,其實市區停車問題還有類似的狀況,就是很多臨路的住宅沒有設置車庫,
或把室內空間外推入車庫,然後把自家車停門口佔用部分路面。
這種情形在8-12米路對交通阻礙特別嚴重。
其實同樣的邏輯,買車本來就應該先自己準備好停車位,或者做好租停車位的準備,
沒道理因為沒有停車位又要開車,就把成本轉嫁給社會大眾。這都是自私。
而長年以來政府失能,大家又不想得罪人,鄉愿久了,也就似是而非了。
爬前文看到版友一句話:嘉義不想進步就如何如何,其實很有感觸。嘉義要進步,
首先嘉義人要學會尊重公共利益跟守規矩,先會守規矩才能增進公共利益,
公共利益能提昇,嘉義才有所謂的進步。
如果嘉義人學不會理解公共利益,那麼講再多恐怕都是無解。
--
垂楊路我天天走,走路,腳踏車,機車,開車都有。
主要活動範圍正好是崇文跟嘉女一帶,算是這次討論的熱區吧。
專用道要不要"廢除"(應該沒有拆除的問題,只是優先路權取消)?
--> 我認為是要廢除。以目前的公車頻率來說實在不需要專用道。
但是反過來要規定大客/貨車除非轉彎或路邊停否則只能走
內線車道(之前的專用道位置)。我經常看到內線給BRT走,
但是有遊覽車走在外側一般車道,非常詭異。
候車亭要不要遷到路邊人行道?
--> 如果將來會積極發展市區公車網路,那就不要拆,因為可以預期上下車的
人數跟使用率都會提高,那麼現在遷到人行道,將來一定又要再花錢改回中間。
至於站體的位置要不要微調這倒是可以考慮,我自己是沒特別感覺。
--> 如果市長的城市願景沒有市區公車這一項,那麼我同意應該遷到路旁人行道。
目前上下車使用率最高的時刻多半是嘉女上下學,遷到路旁對學生也方便,
對相對少數的其他市民影響也有限。
--> 至於,要不要發展市區公車,我認為這是大哉問,不是作秀可以解決的。
要發展公車,就必須提高汽機車持有跟使用成本,並且嚴格執行違規拖吊,
讓喜歡自由的用路人要常態付出規費跟停車費或自備停車位,鼓勵(並且迫使)
市民改變長年的習慣。公車不是給付行政的大紅包,而是附加很多義務的政策。
正因為這樣的配套會影響人民權利義務,我覺得這才是真正需要公投的題目,
至於單獨採用拆不拆專用道/候車亭來辦公投根本是見樹不見林的議題。
我期待的公投意旨大略像這樣:
>> 是否同意嘉義市注資發展市區公車網路,保留道路中央候車亭
並同時提高汽機車各項稅率?
是(全部同意),否(全部不同意)。
崇文跟嘉女上放學的接送問題
-->有人主張,因為接送的家長跟車輛影響機慢車道,所以反對遷移候車亭。
我覺得這是個錯誤的邏輯。因為接送的家長人跟車本來就不應該阻礙交通,
怎麼會容忍他們阻礙交通然後下去做政策推論呢?
誰規定接送小孩一定要把車停在校門口?根本是台灣人自私的小聰明與漠視
公共利益的劣根性。這跟自家辦喜喪事就要佔用馬路一樣令我討厭。嘉義市沒有
餐廳,沒有殯儀館嗎?
同理,你難道不能把車停到正確的地方,走過來接小孩,走回車上開走,很難嗎?
喔,接送小孩不能走5-10分鐘?所以可以干擾公眾通行的權益,有這種事?
如果有議者認為,哪有這麼多停車位提供接小孩,那麼這又是市政府的責任了,
如果民族停車場或道路停車位不夠,那麼市政府就應該快點興建文化公園停車場或
其他停車方案,政府有讓人民可以守法的義務。
延伸一下,其實市區停車問題還有類似的狀況,就是很多臨路的住宅沒有設置車庫,
或把室內空間外推入車庫,然後把自家車停門口佔用部分路面。
這種情形在8-12米路對交通阻礙特別嚴重。
其實同樣的邏輯,買車本來就應該先自己準備好停車位,或者做好租停車位的準備,
沒道理因為沒有停車位又要開車,就把成本轉嫁給社會大眾。這都是自私。
而長年以來政府失能,大家又不想得罪人,鄉愿久了,也就似是而非了。
爬前文看到版友一句話:嘉義不想進步就如何如何,其實很有感觸。嘉義要進步,
首先嘉義人要學會尊重公共利益跟守規矩,先會守規矩才能增進公共利益,
公共利益能提昇,嘉義才有所謂的進步。
如果嘉義人學不會理解公共利益,那麼講再多恐怕都是無解。
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