反黑箱服貿 宜蘭e起來 大團結活動 - 宜蘭

By Dinah
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FOSSIL:現在的主軸明明是反服貿,而不是反黑箱服貿吧 03/28 16:32
其實你要說訴求一直再變,某種程度上可以,但請理解會變的原因
最一開始的服貿(就是現在版本),假設我們稱為1.0,這個1.0版呢
從談判過程,到回國開公聽會(20場),立院開會(經典30秒)
幾乎可以說完全處於黑箱狀態,只是大眾一直到了30秒事件才開始關注
場內的意向很簡單,就是不要黑箱
既然1.0在黑箱重重下產生,那反黑箱=反1.0也是很合情合理
但是場內從來沒有反對,去重新談一個公開合法無黑箱的服貿2.0
可是就在這當下,忽然發現,國內沒有任何法條可以去監督談判過程
於是才有了研申訴求:兩岸監督條例的立法
所以不少人認為,場內從反黑箱=>反服貿=>要立法,一直再變
但這都是因為,國內沒有一個完備的機制,才搞到場內一直要幫忙補洞
不然假設1.0真的退了,然後半年後再給你一個黑箱2.0,有差別喔...
場內的訴求,說直接一點,簽一個有制度監督且不黑箱,對人民有利的服貿
只是鬼島政黨媒體手法,天知地知你知我知,然後學生又一直沒仔細解釋
假設場內真的反所有服貿,他還要一個兩岸監督條例要爽的嗎....
heysongwu:請問主講者是??不想單純的學運過度染上政治色彩 03/28 17:12
服貿本身就是政治,不可能沒政治色彩,當你對政治漠不關心
後果就是別人幫你決定一切,如果你想說政黨色彩,我只能說多多少少一定有
為什麼身為政黨人員,不能對政治提出自己的看法,無論正反意見
政黨組成就是為了政治,然後要一個政治議題不能有政黨看法
那真的滿奇怪就是了....學運從來就不單純,反政府一定會吸引到在野黨
支持政府的言論也一定會吸引到執政黨(白色正義社會聯盟)
當初野百合學運的學生,一堆現再也都在在野黨理面
只要他不要跑錯場合喊凍蒜(這被罵死剛好),他的看法當然可以參考
不然每個學者專家自己也會有立場,是不是都不要聽了...
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其實你要說訴求一直再變,某種程度上可以,但請理解會變的原因
最一開始的服貿(就是現在版本),假設我們稱為1.0,這個1.0版呢
從談判過程,到回國開公聽會(20場),立院開會(經典30秒)
幾乎可以說完全處於黑箱狀態,只是大眾一直到了30秒事件才開始關注
場內的意向很簡單,就是不要黑箱
既然1.0在黑箱重重下產生,那反黑箱=反1.0也是很合情合理
但是場內從來沒有反對,去重新談一個公開合法無黑箱的服貿2.0
可是就在這當下,忽然發現,國內沒有任何法條可以去監督談判過程
於是才有了研申訴求:兩岸監督條例的立法
所以不少人認為,場內從反黑箱=>反服貿=>要立法,一直再變
但這都是因為,國內沒有一個完備的機制,才搞到場內一直要幫忙補洞
不然假設1.0真的退了,然後半年後再給你一個黑箱2.0,有差別喔...
場內的訴求,說直接一點,簽一個有制度監督且不黑箱,對人民有利的服貿
只是鬼島政黨媒體手法,天知地知你知我知,然後學生又一直沒仔細解釋
假設場內真的反所有服貿,他還要一個兩岸監督條例要爽的嗎....
heysongwu:請問主講者是??不想單純的學運過度染上政治色彩 03/28 17:12
服貿本身就是政治,不可能沒政治色彩,當你對政治漠不關心
後果就是別人幫你決定一切,如果你想說政黨色彩,我只能說多多少少一定有
為什麼身為政黨人員,不能對政治提出自己的看法,無論正反意見
政黨組成就是為了政治,然後要一個政治議題不能有政黨看法
那真的滿奇怪就是了....學運從來就不單純,反政府一定會吸引到在野黨
支持政府的言論也一定會吸引到執政黨(白色正義社會聯盟)
當初野百合學運的學生,一堆現再也都在在野黨理面
只要他不要跑錯場合喊凍蒜(這被罵死剛好),他的看法當然可以參考
不然每個學者專家自己也會有立場,是不是都不要聽了...
--
當人的行為 僅能用法律來約束
忠恕誠信、仁義道德蕩然無存之時
此時 人 就與畜牲禽獸無異
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